Billie Jean Dunn speaks on Bring Them Home Now - BlogTalkRadio - March 2, 2011 - Transcript
Host: Hi Billie, how are you
BJD: Hi, I'm all right
Host: please speak up a little bit.
Host: We've been watching in the news. There's been some information about some things found on the computer and a thumb drive. Can you tell me what was found on that computer?
BJD: umm.. I did see some of the images because I asked to. umm.. The computer wasn't mine, wasn't in my house but I was still allowed to see some of it. There was pornography on there - adult, and there was sickening stuff on there. There was bestiality on there. umm.. and again, that was not my computer. I don't have a computer. The thumb drive, when they took that out of the home, that was the first time I had seen that umm.. They told me it was found in Shawn's dresser, so I said okay it must be Shawn's, and then Friday umm.. when I asked them if I could see some stuff, I, I don't know everything that was on that. But I do know myself, and Shawn: and our private lives in the bedroom. We were on there. I do know that. Umm.. And like I said, I don't know of anything else.
Host: Okay And when you say out of the home which are you speaking?
BJD: I'm sorry?
Host: You said taken out of the home.
BJD: Yeah the thumb drive was.
Host: Who's home are you talking of?
BJD: Mine that was at my house. It was in Shawn's dresser.
Host: Did you see any child porn.
BJD: No, not on that one. Then, I didn't look at all the images either, but I did not.
Host: You didn't see any child porn on that. Did you see any child porn?
BJD: I saw an image from the computer. Yeah.
Host: On what computer?
BJD: The one that wasn't in my house. I've said it before, but I don't really want to point fingers at her. I don't believe she was looking at it either
Host: I'm confused. You say her, who is she?
BJD: The lady's computer.
Host: Okay, got it. What is a thumb drive?
BJD: umm.. I'm not real sure myself umm.. So I don't mess around with computers. It's apparently like a memory stick. You can download images onto that and save pictures onto that. And I guess just plug it into any computer.
Host: In the news, they are saying that person may be Shawn's mother?
Host: Can you describe Shawn for us?
BJD: Shawn's always been really good to me. The Shawn that I know has treated me very well. He's treated the kids well. We've had arguments but he's never been physically abusive toward me. He's treated me better than anyone else had. He's done a lot for me.
Host: Can you describe Hailey for us?
BJD: Hailey is bubbly. She is loud. She's a blast to be around. She catches her attitude sometimes but for the most part she is a really good kid, very smart, just very fun, she likes to have fun, we like making each other and other people laugh. We like to laugh around here. We haven't been able to do much of that.
Host: Describe your home life for me?
BJD: Right now or before Hailey went missing?
BJD: umm.. I, I thought and I had even told some family, that my life was finally on track. It was finally perfect. umm.. I had a good relationship with Shawn, we had a good relationship with the kids, we were able to get em what they wanted for Christmas. We were able to go on trips umm.. Everybody had just been getting along well for the past six months before Hailey went and disappeared, before she disappeared. And I just really thought my life was finally good.
Host Was CPS involved with your family?
BJD: No, they weren't before.
Host: Are they now?
BJD: Well, I take that back. ehem. They were and then they were quickly dismissed everything. Clint was upset because David marked on himself with something I had brought home from the hospital in my pocket. And it's like, It looks like a match stick but it will stain your skin and Clint called for that reason. I called on him for other reasons. So, I'm sorry about that.
Host: Did they ever interview Hailey?
BJD: Yep they did. They interviewed both of the children and myself and Clint and people in his family at his house and they found that nothing was wrong in our home.
Host: How often did they interview Hailey?
BJD: They only interviewed her once I believe, once or maybe twice.
Host: Do you know where Hailey is?
BJD: No, I sure wish I did. She's my daughter. I just need my daughter home. I mean I get really tired of people running their mouths the way that they do. She's my daughter. She's not.. We all care about missing children and we all owe it to missing children to care about em to look for em. But she's my daughter. I want her home. I didn't get enough years with her. I want somebody to find my daughter. I can't do it by myself and I just want everybody to be looking for her. I want investigators to find her. I want her found.
Host: Do you think Shawn, might know where Hailey is?
BJD: um I don't. I never believed that but I don't really know, I don't know anything anymore. I hope not. I didn't see it in him but maybe there's a lot of things I didn't know about him.
Host: What makes you say that now?
BJD: umm.. Because of the computer and I don't know who looked at that and who did not and until that's proved to me, I can't risk believing anything he says. I know they'll be able to find who looked at it whenever dates and times come back.
Host: Do you know any reason why Shawn would hurt Hailey?
BJD: Umm.. No, they'd been getting along, but I can't see why anybody would want to hurt her.
Host: Do you believe what the police are telling you about Shawn?
BJD: Uh, yeah, I do now.
Host: Can you tell us what the police are telling you about Shawn?
BJD: Oh, well, they just tell, giving me their theories why he was named a suspect. Just, you know, he was the last person to see her, he had about an hour alone with her before my son and his friend got here, he quit his job Monday. So it's, it's things like that.
Host: Are you sure nothing happened in that house between Shawn and Hailey?
BJD: umm.. I'm not 100% sure anymore. I know nothing was found here, but I'm still not 100% sure. A lot of my feelings have changed just since this weekend. I've really been standing behind him and believing that he's the person I always knew he was, but I just have a little bit of doubt now, you've gotta, I don't know if there's some doubt there how do you stand behind em.
Host: The Sunday before Hailey went missing. What happened in your house?
BJD: umm.. We had, I cooked Christmas dinner for us four only, because Saturday we went to everybody's house. So Sunday Hailey came Saturday night she spent the night with Clint. So Sunday. She got to the house and we she I guess she came home around sometime around lunch and then we ate around two o'clock. I think. Pretty early in the afternoon, it was done. And then… nothin. We sat around and watched TV. We didn't go anywhere umm.. Just hung out with each other and watched movies. David had got a new connect, an Xbox connect, so he and Hailey played around with that for a little bit.
Host: Did something happen with Shawn in your house that Sunday?
Host: So everything was fine with Hailey and Shawn ?
Host: Did Hailey have a hard time breathing?
Host: We have some information that Shawn has had an affair…
BJD. Yeah, umm.. I heard that too…
Host: Tell us about that.
BJD. Some of the pictures were of other women. So he finally admitted to that. He can't really admit why he did it, other than he had trust issues with me. He said he didn't completely trust me either. umm.. And I don't know. He's just hoping that I will forgive him for it, but there's much more going on.
Host: Do you know how many other women there are?
BJD. No, that's, I don't.
Host: There are also rumors out there that Shawn is sending naked pictures of himself to other women?
BJD. I don't know. And again, I had heard. I don't know.
Host: Billie there a lot of women out there who have chosen bad men. This is not your fault.
BJ. I know
Host: Billie, have you spoken to Shawn today?
BJD. umm.. No. He texted me this morning.
Host: I'm really confused with your relationship with Shawn, right now.
BJD. Were not together anymore
Host when was the last time you saw Shawn?
BJD. Physically saw him was Friday. Last Friday.
Host: Last time we had you on the show you seemed very unemotional and you've really broken down a lot since then. This is starting to weigh very heavily on you.
BJD. It just seems to get tougher sometimes. I mean it's always been very bad and very hard but it definitely doesn't get any easier.
Host: What did you say was on the thumb drive and the computer?
BJD. The computer had some bestiality on it. It did have a child porn picture. umm.. It did have other adult porn on it and I told em I didn't want to see anymore. It's disgusting. It hurts my feelings for the little kids. It pisses me off that people would do that to children and on the thumb drive were Shawn and I and there were also other women on there.
Host: These other women were they with him?
BJD. They were just pictures of them, of the women, only.
Host: Does Shawn like to videotape a lot of things?
BJD. umm.. I guess so.
<Host asks listeners to remove children from the room and reads a description of bestiality.>
Host so bestiality, that is the pictures you saw on either the computer or the thumb drive?
BJD. Yeah, on the computer.
Host: Can you explain what you saw?
BJD. umm.. No, it was very disgusting and I glanced. I did not want to look. I wanted to know what was on their but it was hard to look at.
Host: Did you see the computer or the thumb drive
BJD. I saw images from both
Host: And how were those obtained?
BJD. umm.. They were obtained from a computer and a thumb drive that was in my house law enforcement were able to show me what they found on there.
Host: Were the obtained through a search warrant?
BJD. Oh, umm.. yes.
Host: Why did they obtain a search warrant?
BJD. Because Hailey was missing. They needed to come search the house, take anything that they needed or wanted for any kind of evidence. So they took that thumb drive, they took Hailey's school flash drive also. They took her bed sheets. They took Shawn's mask he had been collecting. They took a poster from my bedroom. They took the true crime stories.
Host: Please talk about your love of horror movies and true crime?
BJD. Okay, I don't think I know one person who hasn't watched a horror film. Um yeah. I enjoyed them. I watch horror films and I watch comedies and that is about it. I have a large collection of both, mostly comedies but I watch horror films also. I read the true crime stories. They, they're just interesting to me. I can't understand a serial killer's mind. I can't understand it. It intrigues me. I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange.
Host: Millions of people watch these movies, correct?
Host: There is another woman Shawn has been having an affair with and she's been bragging about it all over the Internet, what do you want to say to her?
BJD. umm.. I knew about her umm.. No I don't think it's been going on anymore. It was a sexual thing. When we were split up last year, or during the summer umm.. Err I know he's asked her to leave him alone and I don't really have anything to say to the girl. Umm.. I wouldn't be proud of myself if I were her.
Host: Why did it take you two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's?
BJD. I don't understand the question. It took me two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's?
Host: You find out Hailey's missing - Take me through the timeline.
BJD. umm.. When I found out she was missing, I called my brother, who then got my sister-in-law to give me a ride home from work. Umm.. This is after I had already had David call Mary Beth and Clint to know that she had not been there, to know that she was missing, so when I left work I came straight to the house, seen that Hailey still wasn't here, got my cell phone, started texting her couple of friends that are in there, and then we stopped by one of the friends house and her Granny's house. Then I went to the police station. Umm.. There wasn't any time wasted. It's. Wouldn't be like her not to be at the friends house that she said she was going to be at.
Host: You called David and asked him to call her to come home?
BJD. Yeah, umm.. I called David. I said "Text that little girl and tell Hailey to go ahead and come home now."
Host: Lead us from there.
BJD. Within 5 minutes David called me back and said "Mom, she said Hailey wasn't there and Hailey didn't spend the night there." I said "Call your dad see if Hailey's there." umm.. He let me know that Clint's phone was broken. I told him to walk over there. Clint didn't live very far away. Back then, umm.. So David walked over there, called me back and said no, Hailey wasn't there, either, and she didn't spend the night there either. I told him turn around go back to your dad's and let me talk to him.
I got on the phone with Clint, who told me "No, Hailey's not there." I said "all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to go to the police station and report her missing you call the police station and give them a heads-up. But I will go file the report and everything.
umm.. then that's when I called my brother tell them I needed a ride home and he got my sister-in-law to come and get me and bring me to the house and I got the cell phone, text a couple of her friends, stopped by their house, went to the police station, reported her missing, umm.. I got back home…One of the officers came over was still talking to me at my house. David came in and said "Mom, Shawn called the phone." I told him what was going on. He said he's on way home. So Shawn got there and, I mean, the rest of the day that's where my nightmare begins. I just sat on the couch dumbfounded not really knowing what to think.
Host: Why didn't you check with Shawn to see if she was going to Mary Beth's?
BJD. I already did Shawn told me the day before on Monday when I said "What are the kids doing?" and he said, "Hailey went to spend the night with Mary Beth."
Host: How did you know to tell the police what she was wearing the day she disappeared?
BJD. Cuz Shawn saw her. Shawn saw her before she left the house
Host: But couldn't she have been wearing some of Mary Beth clothes?
BJD. Not when he saw her.
Host: How long after you found out Hailey was missing, did you speak to Shawn?
BJD. It was a while. It was probably three or four hours umm.. It was because Shawn. I know I needed to let them know. But he wasn't my priority I had to look for my daughter. So I was looking for her and talking with police when he called my cell phone. And David let him know what was going on. Then he came home.
Host: Billie, why you think you failed the polygraph?
BJD umm.. I think it was because of anti-anxiety medication, umm.. Also, I know that your now that you're now, that you should not be interrogated right before, right before a polygraph you should not be told horrible was stressful news right before a polygraph either.
Host: Were you told this after you failed the polygraph that this might have… Hampered?
Host: Are you willing to take another polygraph?
BJD. I am. At first I was dead set against it because, you know , I failed, I failed one when I had no reason to, when I was absolutely, positively I would pass it. But I will take another one. umm.. By, of course, by somebody completely different somebody who knows the procedure, knows how to, you know, perform it, and and make me feel comfortable. Yeah.
Host: What would make you feel comfortable with that?
BJD. umm.. Just To go over the questions which they were gone over before, I would like to do it now when I'm not as stressed as I was that day, that moment. umm.. But I would like to take another polygraph umm.. So that I know none of Hailey's precious time is being wasted on me. I would feel comfortable just to get to know the polygrapher a little bit, not not even well, but, just for him to help me feel relaxed or she help me to feel relaxed and comfortable and confident.
Host: Do you love Shawn?
BJD. Ya, of course.
Host: Now that's gonna really upset a lot of people that you said that.
BJD. umm.. I just can't help it that I still love him right now. I can't turn off my feelings easily umm.. We've been together nearly 3 years. So he was a big part of my life.
Host: How can you let Shawn around yourself or David when he's the only suspect in the disappearance of Hailey?
BJD. umm.. Because I very much trusted him. Very. Much. He's not around anymore just because of other reasons. And like I said, I do have a little bit of doubt now, so I can't let him be around. I can't stand behind him if I'm not 100% sure that he's innocent.
Host: Is the only other reason the women that you see or the child pornography or the bestiality?
BJD. Yeah, and just talking with investigators more that believe he might've had something to do with it
Host: Now Billie, what did you say to Shawn today?
BJD. umm.. I'd just let him know that I need to be alone with family. I'd need time to myself so can't work things out if I don't, if I don't have answers and we can't work things out at all. It's not even a question. He knows that.
Host: What do you intend to do with Shawn from this day forward?
BJD. umm.. I just really don't have any plans, umm.. I need answers. If I don't have answers, I can't continue, I can't continue to be with him like he wants. He can tell me all he wants that, you know, I'm not like that, you know, it wasn't me, but until I'm 100% sure on some things, I don't have any plans with him.
Host: Are you going to say you're not going to be with him until Hailey is found?
BJD. I'm not going to be with him.
Host: I want you to be clear that from this day until Hailey is found -tell me in your own words?
BJD. Until Hailey is found, until it's proven to me that he had nothing to do with her disappearance, it's proven to me that he did not look at the child pornography and it's proven to me that he is not gonna cheat on me, then I will not be with him. There are several reasons, and the girl who's bragging -have at it.
Host: If I got information that he was still having an affair with somebody right now. If he was chatting with somebody on myspace within the last 24 hours. What would you say to that?
BJD. I don't have anything to say to it.
Host: People say that you have put your children in danger by bringing a killer, a monster into your home. Tell me what you feel about it?
BJD. Okay umm.. , No He's not around right now. But no I did not bring a killer around my children or put my children in danger. Why would I?. Why would any sane person do that? And again I have doubts about him and he's not here. He's not around me. He's not around my children.