Saturday, June 23, 2012

Transcript: Sandusky Victim Travis Weaver Speaks


Announcer: Good evening and welcome. And tonight in the trial of Jerry Sandusky, the jury has the case. While they have broken for the night, the wait is now officially underway for a verdict. Most of us by now know the allegations that Sandusky abused these kids he was supposed to be helping. Many people heard him discuss the charges in his interview with Bob Costas here on raucous center, but we have not until tonight heard from one of his accusers. 

You're about to meet Travis Weaver. He has told his story to a grand jury though he did not testify in the current trial, and fair warning, as with anything to do with this story, some of these details are highly disturbing. Here now, Kate Snow's conversation with the young man who is as of this moment speaking out.

Snow: If Jerry Sandusky were sitting right here..

Travis: I'd punch him in his mouth. <faint derisive laugh>

Snow: Would you say anything First ?

Travis: No,  there'd be no reason to say anything. He knows what he did. I know what he did.

Announcer: Travis Weaver says Jerry Sandusky, sexually abused him more than 100 times over a period of four years starting in 1992 when he was just 10 years old. He says he thought he was the only boy it happened to until he saw Sandusky on the news - arrested on charges he molested other boys. Weaver, now 30, had never told a soul, but last fall he told his family his story for the first time. He says he still feels numb. 

Snow: You don't cry about it now?

Travis: No

Snow: When was the last time you cried about it? 

Travis: A long time ago. 

Announcer: Weaver's story echoes many of Sandusky's accusers. Mom and dad split up when he was little. There was a lot of fighting in the broken home he shared with two brothers. A counselor referred 10 year old Travis Weaver to a special summer camp run by a charity called the Second Mile.

Snow: What was it like the very first time you met Jerry Sandusky?

Travis: um, It was great. It was like meeting my hero.

Announcer. Almost immediately he says Jerry Sandusky took an interest in him, taking him to football games, inviting him to work out with him at the gym on Penn State's campus. And like many of the young men who testified in court, Weaver says from the beginning Sandusky expected them to shower together.

Travis: Picking me up, trying to give me, like, bear hugs.  umm.. He'd wash my hair, my back sometimes.

Announcer: He says they'd move to a couch in the locker room just beyond the showers.

Travis: …dried me off with a towel, said he was trying to wrestle with me and then he would just have me lay on top of him while we were both still naked.

Snow: I know this is really hard stuff to talk about. But what, what would he do when he had you down on top of him?

Travis: He'd rub my backside umm.. Sometimes he'd roll over on top me, blow on my stomach and umm..  rub my genitals and  umm.. Then it progressed into oral sex.

Snow: Did it ever escalate to anything else?

Travis: He tried anal sex one time but it hurt really bad, so I, eee, I made him stop. That was in the locker rooms.

Snow: In the shower?

Travis: Yes, <head nodding>

Snow: How old were you? 

Travis:Around 11 or 12.

Announcer: Weaver said Sandusky rarely spoke during the abuse other than to say "You're not gonna tell anyone about this."

Snow: Do you remember what was racing through your head?

Travis: <headshaking> I just couldn't believe what was happening. I was scared.

Announcer: At the same time, Weaver says Sandusky was inviting him to sleep over at his house. 

Travis: I stayed at his house, probably over 100 times.

Snow: A hundred times…

Travis: Yeah it was over a few years, but yeah I stayed there a lot.

Announcer: After Dottie Sandusky cooked dinner for them all, Weaver says he would go down to the basement and wait knowing that as soon as the rest of the family went to bed Sandusky would come down.

Travis: You know, he'd come down and talk to me, you know, try to play a video game with me a little bit, play pool or something, you know, he'd work his way up to it.

Snow: And you would know that he was going to expect sexual acts?

Travis: Yes. 

Announcer: Weaver says that when it was over Jerry Sandusky would leave him and go back upstairs to his wife.

Snow: Why do you think his family thought you were there?

Travis: I don't know. I never asked.

Snow: Did they treat you like one of the family?

Travis: The rest of the kids did, but Dottie, I don't think she really liked me too much. She was always like, distant. She didn't really want to talk to me too much. I always thought that she was a mean person just because of how she acted towards me. She, she never really wanted to talk to me. When she did talk to me, she was umm.. just real stern with, you know, with everything I said to her. 

Snow: Cold? 

Travis: Cold. Yes.

Snow: Did she ever walk in on you, see anything inappropriate?

Travis: No. No She didn't

Snow:  Do you think she had any idea what was going on, in your opinion?

Travis:  <Long silence> I can't say for sure but, I mean, how could you not know something was going on?

Announcer: He didn't always stay in the basement. Sometimes, Weaver says, he was in the second-floor guest room right across from the Sandusky's bedroom.

Snow: Did he ever engage in any sexual acts with you in the guest room across the hall from Dottie Sandusky?

Travis: A couple of times, couple times, you know, he performed oral sex on me. 

Snow:  ..And Mrs. Sandusky was across the hall

Travis: Yes 

Snow: When that happened?

Travis: yes

Snow:  It's almost an unbelievable story,

Travis:  yeah <nodding> ..'s why I was scared to say anything.

Snow: Because you thought no one would believe you?

Travis: yes

Snow: Is this a guy in your opinion, is this a guy who thought he would never get caught?

Travis: Yes. Yes, I don't think the thought ever even crossed his mind.

Announcer: Jerry Sandusky gave him gifts took him to fancy dinners even brought him to a 1995 Rose bowl game. Things his own family could never have provided .

Travis: He told me he loved me. He told my father he wanted to adopt me.

Snow: So Jerry Sandusky said to your father I would like to adopt your son?

Travis: Yes

Announcer: Weaver's dad who works at Penn State University's TV station confirms his son had years of contact with Sandusky and that there was talk of adoption. Finally at age 14 Travis Weaver says he reached a breaking point. Sandusky took him to Philadelphia for a Second Mile fundraiser he says and started wrestling with him in the hotel room.

Travis. I told him if he didn't get off me I was going to call the police on him and ah..he just laughed at me and, and forced me on, to stay on the bed and ah.. Told me if I ever said anything that nobody was gonna believe me and he would get my dad fired from Penn State. 

Announcer: So he says he did not call the police, but a couple of weeks later he did move to Cleveland to live with his mother.

Snow: You wanted to get away from Jerry Sandusky?

Travis: Yes.

Announcer: Weaver's life took a downward spiral. He spent time in jail for burglary. 16 years later Weaver is now working as a roofer in Cleveland. He and his girlfriend Alicia have two daughters together, ages two and four. He says he's angry at the adults who could've stopped Sandusky -like former Penn State assistant coach, Mike McQueary. He testified he saw Jerry Sandusky with a young boy pinned against the wall of the locker room shower. McQueary says he reported the incident to the university authorities but never called the local police

Travis: He's a coward. For not calling the police, for not stopping Jerry right there. He said he slammed his locker, walked out. Why would you slam your locker, walk out and leave that kid standing there? And let that keep happening? You know, you just abandon that little helpless kid.

Announcer: He also blames himself. 

Travis: if I would've said something it would've stopped him from hurting other kids.

Snow:  That's a big burden to carry.

Travis: I know it's not my fault but I can't help but feel that way. <hanging head>

Announcer: Weaver is now suing Sandusky, Second Mile and Penn State University. His lawyer is Jeff Anderson, who specializes in representing sexual abuse victims, including many cases involving the Catholic Church.

Snow: One of the things Jerry Sandusky's attorney has said again and again is that he believes people came forward later in order to cash in.

Travis: <Laughs, pauses, looks down to his right, purses lips> That's ridiculous. Why would, why would all these kids that never even met each other all have the similar, if not the exact same story, about what he did and, and go on in court and go to trial and testify in front of all these people about all this stuff that happened, if it never happened? It's, it's absurd. 

Announcer: What his lawsuit's about, Weaver says, is finally finding his voice.

Snow: You're also speaking out, you've said to me, because you want other kids out there to know that it's okay to speak out. 

Travis: Yes, it is okay to speak out.

Snow: This stuff is really a uncomfortable to talk about.

Travis. It's extremely uncomfortable. Feels better though once you start talking about it to people, lettin' everybody know what happened.

Snow: People are going to feel for you deeply, when they hear your story. They're gonna want to know that you're okay now, that you're getting help. Can you, can you be okay?

Travis: yeah.. I'll be okay.. When he's in prison.

Friday, June 22, 2012

Sandusky Victim Travis Weaver Speaks Out


Transcript: Zimmerman re-enacts Trayvon Martin Shooting


Blogger Yukari gives us this transcript: 

"In his first full account of the moment he killed Trayvon, a video released by Zimmerman's lawyers shows him guiding detectives through the Florida housing estate where he killed the 17-year-old, re-enacting the moments leading up to the shooting." 

GZ: He got on top of me somewhere around here... and... uh... that´s when I started screaming for help. I started screaming help, help as loud as I could and uh, then that was when he grabbed me, oh, I tried to sit up and that´s when he grabbed me by the head and tried to slam my head down.

(Man – unintelligible, he seems to ask if that encounter happened on the grass.)

GZ: No, my body was on the grass. My head was on the cement.

(Man – unintelligible... ending with (so you were) „facing this way“.)

GZ: Yes, sir. Um... That´s as best as I could feel through my jacket. It was like, felt like my body was on the grass and my head was on the cement. He just kept slamming and slamming and uh, … I kept yelling help, help, help as loud as I could. He put his hand on his nose, no on my nose, the other hand on my mouth, he said `shut the fuck up´ and... um... then I tried squirming again because all I could think about was when he was hitting my head again it felt like my head was going to explode. I thought I was going to lose consciousness. So I tried to squirm so that I could get, because he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete, so I tried to squirm off the concrete. And when I did that... somebody here opened the door. And I said help me, help me, and they said `I´ll call 911´. I said: `No, help me. I need help.´ And... I don´t know what they did but uh, that´s when my jacket moved up and I had my firearm on my right side hidden.

My jacket moved up (exhales) and... he saw, I... feel like he saw, he looked at it and he said `You´re going to die tonight, motherfucker.`And he reached for it, he reached, like I felt his arm going down to my side, and I grabbed it, and I just grabbed my firearm and shot him. One time.

(Man – After you shot him, do go on. What did he say?).

GZ: After I shot him, he like sat up and - 

(Man – unintelligible; tries to ascertain in which position the two were.)

GZ: Yes, sir. He was on top of me like this. I shot him. And I didn´t think I hit him ´cause he sat up and he said `Oh. You got me. … You got it. You got me. You got it. Something like that. So I thought he was just saying: `I know you have a gun now, I heard it, I´m giving up.´ So... I don´t know if I pushed him off me, he fell off me, either way, I got on top of him and I s... pushed his arms apart and I just...

(Man – did you roll over?)

GZ: I don´t remember how I got on top, no, sorry. And I got on his back and moved his arms apart ´cause when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face I thought he´d had something in his hands. Yes I just... I moved his hands apart. 

(Man – You had him face down then?)


Thursday, June 21, 2012

Transcript: Zimmerman`s Jailhouse Phone Calls


George Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. He has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense during the confrontation with the 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. 

VELEZ-MITCHELL: These tapes led to George`s wife`s arrest on perjury charges just last week. She`s accused of speaking to her husband in code, hiding his money, while he was behind bars, and lying to a judge when she said they were broke at his bond hearing. Prosecutors say $155 actually refers to $155,000. Some have suggested when he says "Peter Pan" he is actually referring to PayPal.


G. ZIMMERMAN: In my account, do I have at least $100? 

S. ZIMMERMAN: In his account, does he have at least $100. No. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: How close am I? 

S. ZIMMERMAN: There`s like $8. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: Really? 

S. ZIMMERMAN: Like $8 and like 60 cents or something. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: I thought you said it was like 300 total. 

S. ZIMMERMAN: Nope, Ken inflated it. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: Oh, OK. So total everything how much are we looking at? 

S. ZIMMERMAN: Like $155. 


G. ZIMMERMAN: Call him and make sure that he does it every day, and that you transfer from mine to yours every day. 

S. ZIMMERMAN: Transfer from mine to yours every day and set an alarm in my phone to remind me, within 24 hours. OK. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: And to remind Ken, too. You have might have to call him and remind him. 

S. ZIMMERMAN: And to remind Ken, too. We both can do it? 

G. ZIMMERMAN: No, Ken is going to go from Peter Pan to me


G. ZIMMERMAN: Transfer -- for her to transfer less than $10 into her account from mine. 


G. ZIMMERMAN: And then, two, is for her to log off and try to log back in using her credentials before you leave there. And then, three, is to see if she can take $10 out today, another $10, less than $10 and put it... 

S. ZIMMERMAN: Uh-huh...

G. ZIMMERMAN: In her um, in her box there. 

G. ZIMMERMAN: She just has to put in her information. It says "to another" on the top. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, OK. It says "to another", click on right there. OK, go ahead and do it. 

S. ZIMMERMAN: How much?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, three more zeros. OK. 

Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Opinion: Dennis Dechaine and the murder of Sarah Cherry


My opinion, Dennis Dechaine's trial wasn't fair. There is a lot of evidence that his supposed confession was highly contrived by law enforcement and even falsified. Important factual evidence was withheld from the defense by prosecution. There is compelling evidence from the coroner's TOD that he was in a police cruiser when they claim Sarah died, making it appear impossible that he was the perpetrator. The DNA evidence that remains should be examined, and he should be given a new trial because of the manipulation he was subjected to.

But I still believe he is lying and is likely right where he belongs. The uncontested aspects of the circumstantial case are so strong, and his testimony so weak. If someone conspired against him, the who/how/why is so close to impossibility that the circumstantial aspects tend to convince me there is no other explanation. It would have been difficult as an investigator not to have tunnel vision on this one. 

There is hardly an avenue of circumstantial evidence that doesn't lead right to Dennis 's doorstep. Even were it true that he had said not one of the quotes attributed to him by law enforcement - which so perfectly proclaim his guilt - I would still feel certain of his deceitfulness simply from the evidence I read in his testimony. He had eight months to prepare and he still couldn't get it right. In intricate detail or as a whole from a distance, his story just does not make sense to me.

His defense, his "story" as he calls it, is that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and brutal child-killer rapist torturers took the time to carefully frame him after burying their tiny victim. Or was it before burying their tiny victim?

Here's the story. At around noon Dennis decides he doesn't want to work any more that day.  Dennis gets in his truck and takes with him a soda bottle filled with water, three syringes, one of them made of metal, and a single dose of "street speed" in a film can. No fishing gear, nothing else it seems. According to the story this planned session of intravenous drug abuse is only the second dose he will have ever taken, and only the third time he had ever injected drugs.

Now, Dennis drives randomly around the countryside and "frequently" stops and walks up lumbering roads just to see where they go. He's never done this before, but today is the day. On three of these wanderings he stops in a serene oasis and injects himself with another dose of his watered down speed. Using the same syringe each time. And leaving no mark as he injected himself expertly. Except the third time where instead of an intravenous injection he gave himself a subcutaneous injection causing a large bruise. But still not leaving an injection mark because he did it expertly. 

He gets progressively more high until after rising from under the serene tree cradling him for speed trip number three -he realizes that he doesn't know which way to go back to his truck. Now he begins wandering in earnest, by some estimates for 8 hours he wanders until he is found at twilight. During his wanderings he remembers nothing of "significance" and this is why he has no memory of this time, simply because there are no signposts of events during this time to help him form specific memories. But drugs certainly did not affect his memory. No, not at all. He had "heightened awareness" and a razor sharp recollection of events from the moment he exited the woods. 

Meanwhile, Dennis 's truck is being robbed. Our "real killers" are stealing rope, a scarf and documents with his name on them from his truck. They lock his unlocked truck as they leave with exactly what they need to imprison their victim and to frame the truck owner. They drive to the Henkel home and soundlessly abduct the young babysitter, and conivingly leave the incriminating documents in the circular driveway. They return to the location of our wandering Dennis and his truck, taking their young victim to a spot only yards from Dennis's remotely parked truck and begin their cruel work. They don't apparently worry that Dennis himself might return at any moment to his truck  and discover them, or hear the girl or see the tracks, or discover the missing items from his truck. Somehow they seem to sense that he will be lost for many hours and that he will will not return to discover them -as Sarah Cherry's last hours were not short.

When they leave her, they bury her , but they leave her face exposed, so it must have been night time not twilight for them to have made this mistake, and by then Dennis was already in the back of a police cruiser. He has an aluminum clad alibi.  Dennis has emerged from the woods with a scratch he can't recall, a bruise caused by a pinch on the job of his farm, and a muddy hand print on his shoulder caused by him slapping a mosquito. He locates a senior couple who offer to help him find his truck and drive him all over searching fruitlessly. He lies to them about his reason for being lost in the woods and his place of residence because he did not want them to associate him with being a drug user as he suspected they could tell that he was high.

While searching, they encounter a police cruiser and Dennis is transferred to them to continue the search for his truck. That is until he tells them his name and they realize that he possesses the same name as on the documents found in Sarah's driveway. He is shown the receipt and notebook told where they were found, and ultimately told that a girl is missing and he realizes that he must be a suspect.

Now he begins to lie in earnest to the interrogating detectives. He lies about his day, his intentions in the woods, why he was there, where he got lost, why he got lost, where he was before he got lost, where his keys were, how he got injured, all because he didn't want the officer to discover he was using drugs that day. As soon as Sarah returned from wherever she was with her boyfriend he would be vindicated, and meanwhile, the risk that his wife would leave him because of his illicit drug use was more prescient and  fearsome than an enraged police detective screaming at him about whether he "often stopped to piss in other people's driveways? Especially driveways where innocent children have suddenly gone missing?"

He is eventually arrested and as a final insult on injury, in a rush to judgement due to the circumstantial evidence, the police force, en masse, from patrol officers, detectives, through to prison guards, all now conspired to put words in his mouth and together have fabricated a web of false statements and invented declarations of guilt and culpability. This is the story.

Dennis has a "story telling word." His version of "Once upon a time."  His magic word is "basically"  The word "basically" pops up in his statement like clockwork at every point where his narrative conflicts with the prosecutions reconstruction. It doesn't appear elsewhere. Only at these magic moments. Clockwork.

He doesn't remember, he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember, unless the prosecutor says "So drugs caused you to have memory lapse?" - then it's no, no, no I remember everything clearly. And he really does have very clear recollections. Surprisingly clear for someone supposedly so high that he has no specific recollections of the entire time he was in the woods, only yards away from the burial place and during  the same period of time as Sarah Cherry's rape, torture and murder. He's simultaneously victim to the worst drug trip of his life, getting lost in the woods, losing his truck, wandering for hours and all while simultaneously some evil.. someone.. was framing him for the gruesome murder of a missing pre-teen girl. Lousy bad luck.

He lied to the first people he ran into after coming out of the woods, not about who he was, but instead about what he was doing in the woods. This doesn't make sense. If he didn't want them to know HE was doing drugs, why admit who he was, and then lie about what he was doing. Why say fishing when you have no gear? Why was what he was doing in the woods sensitive instead of his identity if, as he said he didn't want them to know HE was a drug user? 

He is detained in a police car. He is interrogated. He lies and lies and lies again. Why he was there, how long he had been there, what he had been doing all day, who he spoke to, where he went, his home, the location of his keys, the cause of his bruises and scratches. So many lies! ALl admitted to in his testimony. And all this because he claims he was worried the police would know he was high. 

But wait. He had used all his drugs.    He's used up his one and only dose of speed, he can't even be charged with possession. He's not driving. What crime could they charge him with? Possession of the syringe?  It's not illegal and as a farmer he has every reason to possess one. Yet suddenly  he's no longer interested in finding his truck because of the syringe laying on his car seat and it could mean someone could .. gasp.. call him a  "drug user" and point their fingers. 

In fact, now he was so afraid they would discover that he was high that he simply stopped looking for his truck and sat meekly in the back of the police cruiser for eight hours. He doesn't want them to find the truck. 

He's inordinately aware of fine details of his detention and interrogation he is not making sense at all as to his reasoning about why he would be lying. Most particularly once he is made aware that a girl is missing and he is suspected. Why continue to lie? I'm afraid the only reason I can come to is guilty knowledge that his truck is parked meters from where the missing girl lies dead and buried.

Another striking moment in his testimony happens for me when he doesn't recall "having been scratched." Not "getting scratched" or "receiving a scratch" but " I don't recall having been scratched." To be scratched requires someone to do the scratching, not something. Listen to these  two: "I do not  recall having been scratched by a branch." vs "I do not recall having been scratched by her." What I hear is him recreating the assault in his mind's eye and saying truthfully he did not recall her scratching him. This leaped out at me.

The keys, oh the keys. He took his keys. He admits he never takes them, usually leaving the truck unlocked. He says that it was "probably" because he worried his truck could be stolen in a remote area. Most people worry the opposite. Congested, urban = lock your car and take your keys. Remote, isolated dirt road = nothing to worry about. But this one time he takes his keys. Did he need to prevent a companion from getting back in the truck?

When he is in the police cruiser and confronted with the notebook and receipt, even his testimony stumbles over the difficult questions. It appears he immediately recognizes the items and simultaneously understands the implication of them too - before being told where they were found. It is at this point that once left alone he attempts to hide his car keys under the front seat of the cruiser - according to him to avoid another confrontation with Officer Reed because he had already claimed the keys were left in the truck and he didn't wish to be caught in a mistake. Why would this matter at this moment? Because to claim to have been framed, to claim that the rope and the scarf and the notebook and the receipt had all been taken from his truck by the "real" perpetrator he can't be in possession of his keys while his truck doors are still locked tight. 

It really appears he did not expect to leave incriminating evidence with his own name on it in the driveway where the abduction took place, nor did he expect to lose his truck after walking in the woods. His efforts at trial are to explain away his presence at the crime scene with drug use, his vagueness of memory on drug use, and the strong circumstantial connection with the crime as conspiracy. Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito come to mind.

I don't think he was high. Not one officer reports they believed he was. If he had intravenous drugs perhaps they were used to make sure that he couldn't have been scratched by the little victim. I think he was terrified that more than just a tampon box would be found in his truck. More than just a sealed syringe in paper. Then, while spying on his captors using their own police radio in the cruiser - he realizes that the locked truck door was his only obstacle to a story of car theft, burglary and meticulous and nefarious intricacies performed by the "real killers" who fearlessly and maliciously returned to the location of their child-abduction only to leave incriminating evidence framing Dennis Dechaine for their horrific crime. Just one locked door and the keys in his pocket.

Direct Testimony of Dennis Dechaine in the murder of Sarah Cherry


Testimony extracts are taken from

My opinion and summarization of Dennis Dechaine's testimony is here :

Page 136

Q    Mr. Dechaine, did you kidnap and murder Sarah Cherry?
A    No, I did not


Pages 136-155 He is questioned about his life, marriage and business history. He is very direct, specific and unwavering in his answers.

Suddenly on page 156 he is questioned about his drug use and his answers change dramatically.

Q    What I want to do is have you discuss for the jury when you first got involved in recreational use of drugs.
Do you recall when that first was?
A    Yes, I would say high school.
Q    What year in high school?
A    Probably my sophomore year.
Q    What did that consist of?
A    Smoking marijuana.
Q    Do you recall your first experience with marijuana?
A    I guess I can say I did, yes.

Q    With reference to cocaine use, did your use of coke increase over a period of time?
A    No, From the first time?
Q    Yes.
A    Yes, I would have to say it increased in that I did it again.
Q    How long after your first use did you use it again, approximately?
A    It was years, I would be guessing as to exactly when.
Q    A substantial time away?
A    Yes. Maybe a year or two or more.
Q    In the interim did you still use marijuana occasionally?
A    Yes.
Q    Did you use any other drugs intravenously?
A    No. I never did. Not at that time.

On page 10 he claims to only have ever used amphetamines once before.. and the second time he used them was on the day of the murder, July 6th, 1988.

On page 162:

Q    When you were at Madawaska was that an intravenous experience?
A    Yes. And one more time after that where I had been given some, and Nancy, and her discovering me using it at our home.
Q    Were there any other times that you used anything intravenous?
A    No.
Q    Other than the times you described how often have you used cocaine other than those three or four times?
A    I believe I snorted on more than one occasion. Probably another two or three times.
Q    Were those large quantities or small quantities?
A    Small quantities. Small quantities,

Page 164 - 165

He buys the one dose of speed in a bathroom in Boston

Q    What happened?
A    Nancy and I had some mutual friends, a young couple, I believe they are our age, that lived in 'Basx. And they were soon to leave for Bangladesh. We went down to Boston to basically see them off. And we spent the weekend there. One of the days that we were with them we visited the science museum in Boston, and in the lavatory of that museum I observed a transaction and made my own purchase as a result of that.
Q    Briefly explain what you saw. How did the transaction come about?
A    Well, what I was looking at was money being exchanged for something. And the fellow taking the money caught my eye and he said basically what the hell are you looking at. And I said nothing. I'm just curious. He asked me if I was interested. I said what he was selling.

Q    What did you do?
A    He told me he was selling speed and I purchased some from him.
Q    Was that preplanned?
A    Absolutely not, no.
Q    What were you told about the drug that you purchased?
A    That it was street speed. At that time I really didn't know what that meant.
Q    What did you do with that once you had that, once you obtained it?
A    I brought it - basically I just left it in in my pocket.And after our weekend in Boston we drove home back to the farm, at which time I put it in the barn. I believe this was probably early June. I'm not exactly sure of the date.
Q    And between the time in early June when you purchased it and the time later on when you were to use it, did you take it out and look at it and play with it?
A    No, I didn't.
Q    Did you know in the back of the mind it was there and did you think about it?
A    I knew it was there, but I didn't give it that much thought.I think I was reluctantly admitting to myself that was really an irresponsible thing to have done, and I was basically ignoring it.

Page 174

On July 6th, 1988 his workday involves particularly strenuous work fixing an error in the structure of a greenhouse he is building. He is not eager to do it.

A    So I went back into the barn. It was at that time that I recalled the speed being hidden there, and I took it out and I said this would be perfect day to do this; basically an extension of my northern Maine vacation.
Q    Had you planned earlier that day or thought about that day about doing the drugs?
A    I'm not sure, If I did, it certainly wasn't possessed in my mind.
Q    When you went out to the barn you originally went out there to get your shovels?
A    Yes. To do a few things. Get my shovels and check things out. We have a milk goat that I like to visit often.
Q    And once you procured the drug, once you grabbed a hold of it somewhere in the barn what did you do next?
A    I just put it in my pocket. I went back into the house and I filled an empty soda bottle with tap water and I walked out to my truck.
Q    Did you have any syringes with you?
A    Yes.
Q    Where did you get them?
A    From the same place in the barn. There is a green bin the back of the barn where the animals are housed that holds all of their medications, syringes and that's where I put the speed, That's where the syringes were.

He gets in his truck, drives to a spot his wife had mentioned was a good location to view wildfowl and takes 1/3 of the drug by injection. He claims to have not felt much effect, but cannot remember clearly how he got to the second location. He does recall where he was, just not how he got there. He goes into the woods in location #2 and injects a second 1/3 of the drug and now feels what he describes as a "heightened awareness"

He gets back into his truck, and now he claims he does not know where he went or what route he took getting there. He drives aimlessly up and down roads he claims to have never driven on before, just exploring in his truck on dirt roads.
"Yes, And stopped frequently. And I don't know if you can say frequently, but I stopped a few times and walked on side roads just to see where they went."

At one of this random stops is where he claims to have lost his truck. The attorney asks him "What happened next?" His response:
"Well, I guess after doing some wondering, basically I continued the pattern until I tried to get back to my truck from one of the walks I had taken and couldn't find it."

Page 182

Q    And after you had been in the woods walking around - how long had you been walking around, do you know?
A    I guess I walked for 15, 20 minute, maybe less. And I sat down for a while. I had come to a deciduous grove of trees that were particularly nice, and sat down to rest for a few minutes. I had done a lot of walking that day.

He injects the final third of his dose of speed in this area. He throws away the syringe and other paraphernalia. It is not found. By his statement he is supposed to be completely alone and lost.

Page 183

Q    How long did you walk around for before, until you realized that you didn't know where your truck was located?
A    Well, what I did was after having sat down for quite sometime I got up and walked back to my truck. And it was at that point that I realized after walking for a short period of time that I didn't recognize anything. It didn't seem like I was going in the right direction. We were beginning to lose light at that time.
Q    So this is getting dark, towards..
A    Yes. That's one of the reasons why I started moving around because we had lost the light.

Q    Was there any period you have no memory of?
A    I can safely say there are periods of time where my memory is probably not as sharp as it could have been, but I think that's because I was doing nothing of any significance to have to cause me to have reference points,
Q    Do you have a period in that space that is just a void, that you don't have any recollection of?
A    No.

His truck is ultimately found a football's field distance from the corpse of Sarah Cherry. He
wanders until he is found 8 hours later and is immediately arrested because they were already looking for him because a notebook and a receipt from his truck were found in the driveway of the home where the victim was babysitting.

He emerges from the woods, still stoned and find a home where he explains he has lost his truck, but lies to the Buttricks saying he was fishing, being concerned, he claims, that they would detect that he was high if he just said he went for a walk. His clothing is not bloody, he has a few scratches and bruises and a hand print on his shoulder. Mr Buttrick drives him around to try and find his truck.

Page 192

A    Buttrick honked his horn, flashed his lights braked, and a police officer stopped and we backed up and met.
Q    At that time when you saw the police vehicle what was your attitude about the police vehicle?
A    I said fine. Good, They can help me find my truck.
Q    Were you scared of them?
A    Well, from the standpoint that I had been doing something illegal that day I was a little worried.
Q    Was your worry more than just a little?
A    I wouldn't say a great deal. Not at that time.

The officers put him in the back seat, ask his name, meet up with detectives, and instead of taking him to look for his truck begin to question him about the receipt and the notebook found.

Page 194- 195

A    After a short period of time Mr. Westrum exited the car and that's when Detective Reed began asking me some very pointed questions that I had a difficult time dealing with.
Q    Let's talk about that, What kind of questions was Deputy Reed asking you that you had a hard time dealing with?
A    I can't remember exactly. I can't remember if he had already shown me my notebook and the receipt.
Q    Do you remember being shown at some point the notebook and the receipt?
A    Yes,
Q    Is that the first thing that you remember in reference to Deputy Reed asking you questions of consequence?
A    I can't be certain.
Q    At some point you recall Deputy Reed asking you questions about the notebook?
A    Yes, He handed it over to me and he said: do you recognize these items?
Q    What did you say when he asked you if you recognized those items?
A    I looked at the receipt and I told him it was an autobody receipt. And I looked at the notebook and I found a Coastal Savings Bank stamp in it, and I said these are my items. Then he asked me if they would have been in my truck.
Q    What did you say to the question of whether or not they would have been in your truck?
A    I said I suspected that the receipt had been in my truck. But I was confused about why that notebook would have been in there. It was obviously a greenhouse notebook type of thing that we scratch notes in and keep by the cash register.
Q    When was the last time you saw that particular notebook?
A    I would be guessing,
Q    Was that notebook in your car on July 6th, 1988?
A    I couldn't say with any certainty.

He is interrogated aggressively in the police cruiser.

Upon being informed of the true nature of the  police inquiry, 
Dechaine blurted, “Oh my God, you think I did that?”
  (Westrum, transcript pages 354-392.)

Page 197

A    Finally he asked me a few more questions. Things had started - I really started getting scared of that man because every time I opened my mouth he twisted everything I said around and threw it back at me and in a form that I had never uttered. Finally I said what this all about? He said your notebook and paper were found in the driveway where a girl, we have a report that a girl is missing. That's what he said.
Q    What did you say when he told you that?
A    I told him that I had no idea what any of this was about , I told him I wasn't involved in this.
Q    Did there come a point when you said to him to the effect "you think I did this?"
A    I may have as a retort, yes.
Q    Was that spontaneous on your part or was it after questioning and his instructing you as to the finding of the notebook and the missing girl?
A    It would have been in response to his aggressiveness at that time.

Page 200

Q    What was your understanding as to why you were being questioned at that point?
A    Well, definitely in connection with the missing girl. One more thing did happen that I recall while we were, while I was being interviewed by Officer Reed, When he asked me where my truck was I responded I didn't know. He asked me if I had left the keys in it. I told him, yes,I had.
Q    Why did you tell him that?
A    Because I believed that I had left the keys in the truck

Page 201

Q    Excuse me. Later on you realized that was not the case?
A    That's correct.
Q    What did you try to do with the keys?
A    At that time I believe that was before they came in with the Miranda rights form.
Q    Prior to the form we just talked about?
A    Yes.
Q    What happened then?
A    I panicked.
Q    Why did you panic?
A    I did not want to have another go around with Officer Reed.
Q    So what did you do?
A    I took the keys out of my pocket and threw them under the front seat.
Q    What were you thinking at that time?
A    Just that I did not want to have to deal with Officer Reed again,
Q    Did you think that hiding your keys would make him go away?
A    I thought that hiding my keys would avoid another confrontation.

Page 210

Q    Did you tell him about your drug use at that time?
A    No. Well, I wasn't - I did not want to tell the police officer that I had been involved in illegal drug use.
Q    Did he ask you about the bruise on your arm?
A    Yes.
Q    What did you tell him that was?
A    I told him that was a pinch I received while doing some work in the barn or something of that sort.
Q    What happened next?
A    The conversation continued, I guess.
Q    This was where?
A    We are still in the vehicle.
Q    Go ahead.
A    He asked me about my activities that day. I responded basically the same way I had to Deputy Reed; that I had been wondering the back roads. I told him I had been looking for fishing holes.That was the excuse I had given them, that I had been fishing,And I basically told them I lost my truck when I became disoriented in the woods and had been picked up by the Buttricks and so forth.
Q    What was your concern in not letting him know about your drug use at that time?
A    I didn't want him to know. That's the extent of it.

Page 211-212

Q    At some point did you say to Detective Hendsbee that somebody was trying to set you up?
A    Yes. I believe I did. He asked me how - that maybe was with Officer Reed. I did tell somebody that night. He said if somebody set you up and I didn't have anything to do with the abduction of this girl how did the notebook and the receipt get in her driveway? I had no response to that except somebody placed them there.

Page 213

Q    At any point did you mention to you anything beyond abduction?
A    No.
Q    Did you have any inclination beyond abduction at that point?
A    At that point I told Detective H she was probably with somebody, Just gone somewhere, boyfriend or what have you, I wasn't as concerned as they were.

Page 214-215

Q    Turning your attention to State's Exhibit Number 21. What are those scratches?
A    Except for the small mark which would be my lower right-hand side, I honestly don't believe that there are any scratches on my back. These don't look like scratches to me,and I don't recall having been scratched. Its possible that I might have rubbed across a tree and received light marks. But they certainly aren't scratches.
Q    Did anybody on July 6th scratch you on your back with their hands?
A    No, sir.

Direct testimony begins again in this document:

Page 11

A    I had been hoping all along that Sarah Cherry would be found or she would return home by herself and that everything would be basically taken care of. And when I found out that she had been found in the woods that was very upsetting to me.
Q    What was your understanding of what was going to happen to you as a result of that news?
A    I had been told I was the suspect in the case. I had not been told that there were any others, so I expected that the police would be coming to the farm

Page 15

Q    Was there a knife in the truck that you can recall?
A    I don't recall a knife being in the truck.
Q    Would it have been unusual for one to have been found in the truck?
A    No. Especially if it was some -- I don't know where it would have been, but it's possible.

Dechaine stated to officers on Friday, 7/8/88, after the  body was found, 
“I can't believe I could do such a thing . . . it
must have been somebody else inside of me . . . I can't believe
I could do that.” 
(Hendsbee, transcript pages 793-826)
In an extremely emotional scene, Dechaine allegedly made the following statements to Detective Westrum:

“Oh my God, it should never have happened . . . Why did I do this? . . . 
I went home and told my wife that I did something bad and she just 
laughed at me . . . I told  her I wouldn't kill myself; besides,
that's the easy way out . . . [P]lease believe me, something inside 
must have  made me do that . . . Why would I do this? . . . I didn't 
think it actually happened until I saw her face on the news; then 
it all came back to me. I remembered it . . .  Why did I kill her? . . . 
What punishment could they ever give me that would equal what I've
done? . . . I feel so bad for her. My God, how must her mother and 
father feel? It was something inside that must have made me do that . . . 
How can I live with myself again? . . . I wish I had never gone on 
that road that day. Why couldn't my  truck have broken down instead? . . . 
I don't think my  wife believes me. . . Why did I let this happen?
  (Westrum transcript pages 826-842)

Page 26-27

Q    During the period when you were having the conversation with Detective Westrum, what else did you talk about?
A    just I couldn't believe this was happening. I told him I was shocked and horrified by the whole thing. That a mistake had been made.
Q    Did you ever say I don't know whatever made me do that?
A    I told him that I don't know why this was happening.
Q    Did you ever say I don't know whatever made me do that?
A    No, I did not,
Q    Did you say I can't believe it happened?
A    I may have said that in reference to my arrest.
Q    Did you say: Oh my God, why did I do this?
A    No, I don't recall saying that.
Q    What were you saying at the time, do you recall?
A    Yes. I was telling him that I couldn't believe that this was happening to me. I told him I was really worried about my family. Basically I was just very upset and worried.
Q    Did you ever say to Detective Westrum that you went home and told your wife that you had done something bad and.. she laughed at you?
A    Of course not.
Q    Did you say that I told my wife I wouldn't kill myself because that's the easy way out?
A    No.
Q    Did you smoke cigarettes in there?
A    He offered me some, yes.
Q    Did you smoke?
A    Yes.
Q    Did you say to the officer: Mark, please believe; something inside must have made me do that?
A    No, I never said that.
Q    Did you say: Why would I do this.
A    I may have said, you know, I may have asked him why he believed that I would have done something like this.
Q    What was was your level of anxiety and worry about concerned during this period of discussion?
A    Probably as high as it had ever been in my life.
Q    Did you say to the detective: I didn't think that it actually happened until I saw her face in the news; then it all came back. I remember it.
A    No. On the contrary.
Q    What happened when you saw the picture?
A    When I saw her on the news. I told my wife that I had never before seen that child.

Page 28

Q    Other than those impressions from photographs that you have seen, do you have any impression in your mind as to her?
A    Absolutely none.
Q    Is that because you can't remember?
A    No. Because I had never seen her.
Q    Did you further say to Detective Westrum: I can't believe I did it?
A    I don't think I would have said that, no.
Q    During the period of time that you were being questioned did you believe that you did do it?
A    No.

This following statement refers to the testimony of several prison guards who claim he said the following:

Dechaine stated to jail guards, “You people need to know that I'm 
the one who murdered that girl, and may want to put me in isolation.” 
( Maxcy, transcript pages 850-868;
  Dermody, transcript pages 869-873.)

Page 32

A    I told them that I'm the an accused of the murder or Sarah Cherry.
Q    Did you tell them anything else?
A    That's about it.
Q    Did you ask to be put in isolation?
A    I asked to be placed accordingly. I may have said isolation.
Q    Did you know the term isolation at the time?
A    I don't believe I would have,
Q    Did you say to them you people need to know that I'm the one who murdered that girl and you may want to put me in isolation?
A    I really don't believe I could have said that, If I did it was certainly a regrettable error of semantics. To the best of my recollection I certainly thought nothing of it. I told them I was the one accused of murdering Sarah Cherry. They told me you don't have to worry; we'll be putting you in the holding cell.

Page 37

Q    When you were questioned by the police on the night of July 6th you had the keys in your position, did you not?
A    Yes.
Q    These keys?
A    Yes.
Q    Is that unusual to have your keys?
A    Well, not unusual but it was unlikely I would have had them with me. I don't know why I took them out of the ignition. Probably because I was in a remote area and I was afraid it would be an easy thing to steal.

Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Transcript: Derby house fire - Mick Philpott


With thanks to Russ Conte, commenter on the Eyes for Lies blog for this transcript.

Philpott: First of all, I want to thank my three oldest children because they helped me discover what's going off. And then there's a young lad called Daniel Stevenson who tried to get me out same as myself. And Jeb across the road, and the butler above us and of course there's the four firemen, and the police, and the ambulances, the doctors, the nurses, literally everybody whose who who try tried to help save our children but couldn't. Just give me a minute.  
Philpott: We've decided that through our son Dwayne(?) unfortunately the last one's (contraction of 'one has') passed away, that we're we're going to donate his his organs to the saving of a child which is what we want because if you can saving of a child that's that makes us happy. It takes a bit of the pain away. And we can't express our gratitude to everybody that's been concerned with the the case and what's been going on.  
Philpott: And I've actually been down to my our hou our home, and what we saw we just we just can not believe it. We grew up in a community that's been had a lot of problems with violence and and God knows what else, and to see this community to to come together like that, I was just, it's just too overwhelming, we've had people people from America, France, even the travel(?) community I mean the traveling(?) community, it's just, we've been to (indecipherable) everyone meant it (?)  
Philpott: But I say I can't express enough the help the police department gave the ambulance services because what we feel them poor gentlemen from the department saw what we seen my heart goes out to them, because it's not just us that's suffering, it's them as well, it's everybody. It's.  
Philpott: But there's one thing I would request, it's please please leave my family alone. If you've got any questions or anything at all, please don't come through me or my family please go to the police, because what's happening at the moment you're disrupting what these officers are trying to do. So please I beg you leave us alone and let us try and grieve in peace and quiet, that's all I ask. Thank you.