Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Response: A Reader's Defense of Dennis Dechaine

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Reader Misty Lake made such a well thought out response to my post Opinion: Dennis Dechaine and the murder of Sarah Cherry that I felt it deserved a blog post of it's own to respond to. Despite her persuasive enumeration as to 15 reasons why Dennis should be found not guilty, I remain unconvinced, and here's why.

Misty said:

1. Of course the DNA and blood found under Sarah's nails. Neither of them were Dennis' (and neither was the hair that was found on her). AND! There was this known pedophile (who had already raped one 12 y/o girl - there were similarities in these cases: Inserted items inside that other girl, bondage etc) that lived half a mile from the house Sarah was babysitting..his blood type was the same that was found under Sarah's nails. Child's footprints (barefooted ones..Sarah's shoes and socks were left inside the house) were found outside this pedophile's trailer..and a neighbor heard a child later the same day Sarah was kidnapped. This person (the pedophile) later told that no one ever interviewed him about Sarah, altho people had told the police what they had witnessed and police told them they would come and interview this man..actually his trailer was the only place the police never even checked in that neighborhood.
Extra: A shirt and one other piece of cloth (girl's clothes) was also found in the woods near this pedophile's home. 
Normally I would agree that the DNA under Sarah's nails was a clincher. If it didn't match the suspect then he could not be the perpetrator of the assault. Case closed. Two things make the DNA irrelevant. The first and most critical is the issue with the custody chain of the evidence. 

For a long time Dennis' attorney had Sarah's fingernail clippings in his possession. Somewhere there exists a person who would be tempted to find a way to tamper with that evidence to plant exonerating DNA. There's no saying Dennis' lawyer did this, but there's also no saying he didn't. Tragically, this renders this physical evidence irrelevant to me. Also, there could have been two perpetrators, Dennis just one of them, the other, his DNA found under her nails. Can we know for certain there weren't two men involved?

It is yet another mark of shame and ignorance on the investigators of this crime that they did not thorougly pursue the evidence pointing to the pedophile you mention. The only thing I can ask is why, if the pedophile had a cabin nearby and Sarah's footprints walking willingly to it, why he would have taken the chance to assault and torture her so far from it? Why would he have taken all the risks of obtaining the evidence to frame Dennis? Remember the notebook was "planted" and then found hours before Sarah Cherry was killed. So the "frame-up" would have had to be premeditated. Why and how could a local pedophile accomplish this or bother? 

Alternatively, and just as plausibly: Dennis could have heard of the assaults that the pedophile had been accused of and triggered his own desire to try it himself. Perhaps he himself chose a location close to the pedophile and simulated his modus operandi, all in order to cast suspicion upon the pedophile and not the other way around.

2. The fact that no trace of Sarah was ever found in Dennis' truck.

I believe Sarah was unconscious before she was ever placed in the truck. There was no struggle and she left no fingerprints. More on this later.

3. The fact that the police dog could not find any trace of Sarah in Dennis' truck..and didn't find any smell of Dennis anywhere near the place Sarah's body was found..in fact, the dog went in the opposite direction, where Dennis said he had gone fishing and shooting drugs.
Was the dog following the trail of Dennis or Sarah? A dog can't do both. He can't tell us what he was following so we can't say who or which trail the dog followed. Also, I find the investigators of this case clumsy and single-minded in their desire to find evidence to prove Dennis guilty. I don't trust their investigation, for the most part, and that also includes their work with the search dog. Dennis also had just finished hauling hundreds of pounds of slaughtered chickens in his truck, surely this would add complications for the dog in the immediate vicinity of the truck?

Following the trail from the car, which the dog indicated as belonging to Dennis, brings us within a few yards of where the second piece of rope from the truck was found. 

I think Sarah was unconscious in the truck, he bound her once he pulled off the road into the almost invisible spot he parked his truck. Then, Dennis locked his truck, locks it to keep anyone from stealing it and trapping him in the woods near his victim. He's carrying her, which would confuse a tracking dog. He then forged into the woods to the east looking for a spot to immobilize his victim and assault her. 
He encounters a shallow stream, a marshy area and in the distance he detects the only house on that whole section of road (at the time) he realizes he must make the risky move of going back, and heading west into the section of woods with no houses, and he must cross the road carrying his victim. 

He drops the extra piece of rope by accident at this time. He heads back, partly retracing his own path going west now, further confusing the dogs, and then furtively crossing the road. He then travels 1/4 mile into the woods to the west, following the creekbed past the marsh until he finds the high and dry spot under a tree where he places his groggy victim. He even describes this spot in his testimony as "a deciduous grove of trees that were particularly nice, and sat down to rest for a few minutes. I had done a lot of walking that day."

He has bound her with ropes from his truck and gagged her with a bandanna from his truck, He's got hours with his victim, no one to hear her in this location. 

Dennis said:
Well, what I did was after having sat down for quite sometime I got up and walked back to my truck. And it was at that point that I realized after walking for a short period of time that I didn't recognize anything. It didn't seem like I was going in the right direction. We were beginning to lose light at that time.
Q    So this is getting dark, towards..
A    Yes. That's one of the reasons why I started moving around because we had lost the light.

Who is "We"? He's supposed to be alone. Pronouns are instinctive, we don't use them incorrectly. "We" means Self and at least one other person. Who is with Dennis at dusk in the woods? I believe it was Sarah and this is why she was partly exposed in her near-complete burial, because "We" had lost the light. He stumbled from the woods after dusk.

Why does someone explain that they had to "start moving around" when he and a companion noticed the coming darkness? Dennis makes these kind of incriminating slips often. It's hard to imagine that every single quote from Dennis was contrived where he shows guilty knowledge of the crime. In fact in his own testimony he admits that he's not sure but he may have actually said some of the things he is accused of saying "I really don't believe I could have said that, If I did it was certainly a regrettable error of semantics."

Ultimately he exits the woods almost a mile to the west of his truck, after dark,  and on the side of the road where Sarah's body was found, not to the east in the direction the police dogs first track him. He's wandering lost in the same block of woods where Sarah's body is found. And he is across the road from his truck. He crossed the road. It's significant.

4. A fishing pole was later found in the woods..but the police + prosecutor disregard and hid that evidence..like many other evidence too.

This is moot. Dennis lists in his testimony everything he took with him that day and he doesn't mention a fishing rod, and he admits that he was lying when he told absolutely everyone that he was fishing. His defense to being in the location at all is that he just happened to be doing the only injectible drugs he had ever done in that precise set of woods while Sarah was coincidentally being murdered nearby. He now claims that he lied to everyone that he was fishing because he didn't want them to know he was doing drugs. There's no fishing pole. If a fishing pole was found later, no doubt it was planted to help boost his story. This could have been done whether he was guilty or not, so it's moot.

5. The truck was locked. Would someone, who is struggling to get his victim out of the truck lock the doors? Or even if the victim was dead at that point..which would make locking the doors even more bizarre! And that brings me back to the fact that no trace of Sarah was ever found anywhere in the truck. Yea..i mean what did Dennis do? Tell Sarah "wait a second, i'll lock the doors..then you can start kicking and screaming again"?? After of course arriving to the location with Sarah..and miraculously not leaving any trace of her anywhere near/inside his truck!?

His victim was neither struggling nor dead. I think he had injected her with a veterinary sedative. I think he charmed his way inside the house to use the phone and then injected her without leaving any sign of struggle. He transported her to his truck parked close to the door and then drove her to the pull-off of the road, which he had already scoped out. She wasn't struggling so she left no evidence in his car. There was no evidence of a struggle at the house either. He locked his car exactly for the reason he said in his testimony. "Probably because I was in a remote area and I was afraid it would be an easy thing to steal."  -And having his truck stolen would really get him in trouble. So would getting lost in the woods and not finding his truck, but he made that one mistake.

6. No traces of blood was found on Dennis. Again, Sarah was stabbed multiple times in the neck and chest area..there would have been lots of blood flying around.

Dennis could have brought a change of clothes and washed off thoroughly in the marsh. He admits to falling in the water as one of the few things he "remembers" from his long afternoon in the woods. He wasn't examined fully until the next day and he had already laundered the clothing he was found wearing.

7. No marks were found on Dennis that looked like someone had scratched (or anything!) him while trying to defend him/herself. However, there was one other man who had fresh scratch marks on his face (that had appeared the same day Sarah was kidnapped) and upper chest area. But the police never even thought about checking that person either.

Dennis actually did have a few scratches and bruises. Nothing that couldn't also be explained by being lost in the woods and falling in the creek though. He explains a large bruise as <i>I told him that was a pinch I received while doing some work in the barn or something of that sort.</i> Linguistically this is not the same thing as saying "It was a pinch I received while doing some work in the barn" Instead he says "I told him <the police officer> it was a pinch, or something of that sort. We are left not knowing where the bruise really came from. Because it certainly wasn't from a pinch given his unwillingness just to tell us so.

8. The tire tracks that didn't match. One tire of Dennis' truck had similar details, but wasn't a true match (and this one tire was one of the most common types used in Maine at that time). The other three tires didn't match with any of the tracks found. And again, the police decided to not get prints out of set of tires that was left by a truck a neighbor saw (with two men and a child inside!).
Sorry, tire marks etc are just symbols of how badly this investigation was botched. Officers walked and drove all over that driveway and it wasn't secured as a crime scene until hours after the investigation began. I place no weight on any tire mark evidence. 

9. A fingerprint that was lifted from the door of the house Sarah was in. A fingerprint that wasn't Dennis'.
It's just not enough. Unless it can be identified it's a red herring.

10. The witness that said she saw a red truck passing their and the house Sarah was in. Dennis' truck was orange. Senegal's truck was red. And she saw the truck moving..never stopping..so if that was Dennis kidnapping the girl how did he do it?
The witnesses seeing red trucks don't always remember which day they saw them and did not see who was driving them and cannot identify the specific truck. The sheer number of red trucks in this area just devalues this evidence. Also Dennis claims he drove up and down the roads of the area "looking for fishing holes" or a "quiet road to park and shoot up" depending on which of his two stories you believe.There's not that many roads in the area, they are long and intersect only every few miles. One witness did hear a vehicle turn into what they thought might be the driveway because he lost sight of the truck and heard the dogs barking. All of the witnesses live South of the house where the kidnapping took place, and Sarah's body was transported North. They would not have seen any vehicle transporting Sarah, Dennis driving or otherwise.

11. The two items found on the driveway. This is -in my opinion- the best part of this case! Out of +180 items (and out of 3 items that had Dennis' name on them) that were in the car somehow Dennis managed to pick up TWO, not one but TWO..the notebook that was always in between the front seats and a receipt that was..who knows where in the truck..and carry them allll the way close to the house and then what...he just left them there!? Even a blind person would see them lying on the ground and would pick them up! But i guess he couldn't pick them up because he was carrying a 12 y/o girl who is fighting and kicking and screaming so he decided to leave them there!?(no one did hear anything though ..no doors opening or closing..shouting or screaming..nothing..everything happened perfectly and perfectly quiet). Dennis must have had helluva lot of beginner's luck that day...
I agree its unlikely that just those two items would fall out, but not nearly as unlikely as all the misfortunes of Dennis' "wrong place at the wrong time" story strung together. It could happen. He wouldn't see them if they fell out of the truck while he was placing Sarah unconscious into the passenger seat -a moment of time likely fraught with fear, like when he also had to carry her unconscious body across the road. 

It doesn't matter who it was kidnapped Sarah when evaluating the absence of struggle, screaming etc. Whoever took her did it in a way that left very little evidence. I just happen to believe it was Dennis and he injected her with something from his animal veterinary bag to drug her helpless and likely unconscious. He left one empty syringe on his car seat and was terrifed this would tie him together to Sarah when she was found. This is why he lied to everyone about WHY he was in the woods, and in particular why he lied to at least four police officers telling them he didn't have his car keys, hid his keys in a patrol car and directed officers at every chance away from where his truck was actually parked.

12. Dennis himself. He has no history of violence or perverted child fantasies or ANYTHING. He is kind and polite. All the shrinks and therapists said the same thing: He is totally normal man with "normal way of thinking". Even FBI's special agents who was shown photos of the crime told that this was done by someone who had done it before, who was a loner and a person you'd feel uncomfortable being around with..someone you'd say to your kids to stay away from. Dennis was a married man, enjoying his life in his farm with his wife, planning on having kids of his own...
Everyone has a secret life. I think Dennis had one. Dennis is a smart man. He's convinced you. He fails to convince me. His own testimony leaks deception at every turn to me. He says he was too high to remember anything at all about his entire afternoon but that he was absolutely so clear in his mind that he remembers every fine detail of his time after he exited the woods and met up with the Buttricks (now deceased.) He lied to them, he lied to the officers who he first meets up with, and he lies to the investigators even after they tell him why they are questioning him. He lied and lied and lied. But now he's not lying? 

He says "You think I did this?", when he is made aware that Sarah Cherry is missing. He admits to this response, which contains an embedded confession- a trained officer would take note of this and recall it clearly. Yet, despite being aware he is a suspect in a horrifying felony, he continues to lie even after this. SO WHY LIE? He needs police to accept he's also a victim, someone is framing him, his car's been broken into, it couldn't have been him. SO WHY LIE? He's got no drugs left to be charged with a drug crime and he claims to not be stoned. SO WHY LIE? I can't get past this. 

You have to ask yourself: "Why did Dennis hide his truck keys in the cruiser if what he wanted most of all was to find his truck and get out of there?"

The thing that bugs me the most in this case is in fact that it has turned into a "oh yea yea, this NICE-LOOKING, EVERYONE'S FAVORITE, KIND man must be innocent huh?..he couldn't have done it because no one expects a guy who looks like that to be a killer!" ..i mean what has his looks got to do with anything!? I'm afraid he will never get a FAIR trial, because of things like that. What if he was fat and ugly with bad teeth? A loner? That would have been bad too. It's like "He is ugly and a loner..GUILTY!" or "He is kind and friendly and rather good looking...GUILTY!!!" 
Someone once said to me that 90% of homicides..the person who is the murderer is a family member..so is there, inside Sarah's family, behind those grieving faces a murderer? I know this is a mean thing to say, but if they are allowed to say that because Dennis is kind and good looking he is the murderer then others are allowed to say, that someone inside Sarah's family could be the real killer.
His looks have nothing to do with it *except* they could have been what charmed Sarah Cherry into opening the door for him. This was key to Ted Bundy's success as a serial killer of young women.

13. The fact that Dennis has always said he is innocent. It's not like he waited for 20 years and then suddenly decided to scream "i didn't do it!" He has also always wanted to test the DNA, RIGHT FROM THE START..would a guilty person want that? I mean if he was guilty he wouldn't want to take the risk that the DNA would suddenly show something that would be damaging to him!
Granted, an innocent person would want DNA to be tested, but so would a man who drugged his victim, immobilized her before she regained consciousness and can then say "I don't recall being scratched" and finally, who's attorney had possession of the fingernail evidence for a good period of time.

14. The fact that he is now demanding another type of DNA testing done..from the items that were located in the crime scene.
It's on the same biological sample though, as I understand it, the same one who's chain of custody has been compromised.

15. All the hiding and lying the police and the prosecutor have done. Changing Dennis' words into something he has never said..destroying evidence (the rape kit and the hair for example) weeks after Dennis had appealed and asked for a new trial etc etc.
Police misconduct does not prove innocence or guilt, only that they were overzealous in their desire to suspect, investigate and nail the crime on him. This shameful behavior does mean he should be given a new trial. They may have been correct in their assumption of Dennis guilt but that will never justify shenanigans that result in a life sentence.

That's about it. For now. :o)
Thanks Misty, you make excellent points and I appreciate the debate. 


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I keep trying to craft an alternative narrative which ties all the pieces together but only contains Dennis as a tragically framed victim and not a perpetrator. I just can't do it.

Look at the "framing of Dennis" how elaborate and unlikely it is. The risks of getting caught were much higher than to just abduct her, assault her and then hide the body where she is never found again. 

The "real perp" comes across Dennis truck hidden in the woods. It's locked, but he finds a way to get into it. Committing his first two crimes, B&E and theft, without leaving evidence, no fingerprints, hair DNA etc of the "real perp" is found in the vehicle. 

He searches the truck and finds just what he needs, ropes to bind a victim, bandannas to gag a victim and papers with Dennis name. This required a thorough search of the truck and the assumption that the papers found would correctly identify the owner of the truck. 

The Perp locks the truck again, and then proceeds three miles away to kidnap Sarah and then, without leaving any evidence of struggle. He deliberately leaves the incriminating notebook and drives Sarah presumably, kicking and screaming back to where Dennis truck is parked. He drags Sarah 1/4 mile into the woods, binds her, tortures her and sexually abuses her for extended hours before finally killing her and attempting to bury her remains.

How could the perp luck onto exactly the vehicle he required to both frame the owner and to obtain the tools of bondage he required. So convenient that the driver is gone for extended hours allowing the perp to extract just the incriminating evidence necessary to frame the truck owner. The elaborate premeditation and scheming is exceptional. The actual crimes perpetrated against Sarah were not.

Why did no one hear Sarah? How did the killer get her to leave the babysitting home?

How did the perp subdue her while driving?

Where did he park his car during the hours he assaulted her? Why was he apparently not worried it would be noticed? Did he walk with his barefoot victim? Carry her, while still alive and struggling, through the deep brush for a mile or more, with his car hidden far away? Why?

How did he know Dennis wouldn't stumble across him and discover him torturing Sarah as he returned to his truck?

How did he know Dennis would be parked there long enough for it to be possible for him to be framed? If Dennis returned to his truck and ended up with an alibi before the kidnapping was complete the plot would have failed.

How did he know Dennis would not return to his truck and recognize it had been broken into, report it immediately, bringing law enforcement to the area, even before the kidnapping was complete or during any of the many long hours where Sarah was still being abused and he could be caught in the act?

How could it have been so convenient that Dennis truck just happened to have the bondage items he needed for his plan?

Why bring Sarah back to 1/4 mile from Dennis truck? Why bother? It doesn't aid the frame-up. It only creates huge additional risk. 50 feet from Dennis truck, he could leave the dead body, that's pretty incriminating. But buried 1/4 mile away? It's such a mixed message. "I hope they pin this on you Dennis, AND I hope they never find her body."

It is so painfully perfect for the "real perp's" plan that Dennis became lost in the woods that day and helped participate in his own frame-up. It's just too perfect. 

"Yes. That's one of the reasons why I started moving around because we had lost the light."



Friday, August 3, 2012

7 Reasons to Stop Hate Crime Hoaxes by Speaking Out

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1) Hate Crime Hoaxes galvanize special interest groups - but behind a lie. There is an inevitable sequence after disclosure of the hoax. First the attempt to cover up the group's participation and complicity, then the attempt to distance from it (for example by claiming all efforts were in support of "all victims" not just the hoaxer,) then highly focused anger at the perpetrator to excuse any personal participation and finally a silencing effect while the group attempts to have it all go away. The end result is profoundly divisive.

2) Hate Crime Hoaxes expend a huge financial cost in law enforcement, investigation and emergency response. We all pay.

3) Hate Crime Hoaxes extract money and good will from kind-hearted people who will be less likely to trust and help others who are genuinely in need in the future. Being conned is an experience that never quite leaves you.

4) Hate Crime Hoaxes create a dishonest relationship with the media as journalists and editors who took the bait do not wish to be associated with the fallout of the big lie exposed. There is always vastly less exposure to the Hoax than there was to the Hate Crime itself. Because of this some people never learn the hate crime was a lie and continue to pattern their assumptions in life under a false banner.

5) Hate groups love Hate Crime Hoaxes. What better proof does a atrocity denier need to claim that all victim reports are false than to point to a false report exposed? Haters feel free to point to the exposed lie saying "See, people of that (color/religion/gender/nationality/orientation) always lie! 

6) Hate Crime Hoaxes have an agenda, and that agenda is to manipulate public sentiment. Whether the end result creates further hatred towards the accused perpetrators, or when exposed, towards the special interest group pretending to be victimized - there is ultimately just more hate.


7) Sometimes innocent people are charged and even convicted of the hoaxed crime. In each case we have seen recently the hoaxers have actually pointed their fingers at neighbors, dorm-mates etc in attempting to substantiate their lie. There's a reason why "Thou shall not bear false witness" is a common and important religious edict - the damage to the fabric of society by punishing the innocent is extreme.

Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Opinion: Sabrina Benitez tells how Baby Joshua went missing

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Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis of this declaration can be read here.


Sabrina Benitez said: 
"We were all in the house. There was nine people in the house. I was sitting on the bed watching "Toy Story" with my baby. He was wandering from our room to the living room, where the other family members were. When I realized about 10 minutes that it was unusual my baby hadn`t been back in the room to come get a toy, come watch the movie, I jumped up and I ran to the grandfather`s room, where there was another baby that my baby was interested in and asked if he was in there. When the grandfather`s girlfriend told me he hadn`t been in there, so I ran out to the living room and I asked everyone if they`d seen the baby. Westarted searching, but there was no signs of the baby. I ran out of the house and everyone started looking, and we called the police about 10 minutes because we realized we had no -- nowhere to -- where we hadn`t found him." 


"We were all in the house. There was nine people in the house."


"We" "all" She starts by creating a consolidated group out of everyone in the house, we know from her statement that at least two of the members of "we" were toddlers. At least two were adults, the other four members of "we all" are never identified although they are mentioned often. Her troops are martialed. She begins with unity.


"in the house" - she says this twice, later she runs "out of the house" Inside and outside of the house is important. It is important enough to the story to say repeatedly that they are inside the house. Otherwise why say this? Of course everyone was in the house. This isn't an answer to "what happened?", this is in answer to "Why?".


"we were" - "there was" First there is unity, then disunity. Her change of language indicates something is missing from the story here. What were the comings and goings? How did all nine end up "in the house?"


"I was sitting on the bed watching "Toy Story" with my baby."


No she wasn't. He was wandering. She may have been sitting on the bed, and who knows what she was really watching, but her baby wasn't sitting there. And she wasn't watching him either. She says so next. 


"He was wandering from our room to the living room, where the other family members were."


He wasn't watching the movie at all. Did the other family members see him "wandering"? Was anyone paying attention to him? Did he always wander like that? 


"the other family members" - this is hugely distancing. It's not "the rest of the family" or "my family" or "his family", instead it's these "others". 


"Other" refers to someone else than.. Who is the someone else? 


"When I realized about 10 minutes"


"when I realized" - if you have a toddler and you suddenly "realize" your baby isn't with you, it can only be because you are deeply distracted for a longer period of time than the requisite very short period of time during which a mobile toddler can be left unattended. This short time duration is arguable, but it is certainly not 10 minutes. This makes me doubt the 10 minutes, particularly as it is repeated again later as yet another time milestone which sounds reasonable to the mother, but in fact is not. She was distracted, she doesn't know for how long, due to alcohol, drug use or just pure selfish neglect, she stopped paying attention to her baby and at this time we are not suprised to find that now "something happened."


"that it was unusual my baby hadn`t been back in the room to come get a toy, come watch the movie,"


It was only "unusual" that her baby didn't come back during the "10 minutes", It was not unusual that she did not realize sooner that her baby was out of her care. It certainly wasn't shocking or truly unexpected that he be gone. what if it was five minutes? Would that be "unusual" or just "typical?"


"hadn't been back" - means it was expected that he comes and goes. Back and forth to the living room where the "other family" were. 


"come get a toy," "come watch the movie" - to come, you must not be present, and then you must enter the room. All parts of this sentence indicate it was expected that Joshua would wander. Also "come watch the movie" appears to imply that he did not watch any of it at all. Again, I say she was not sitting on the bed watching a movie with her baby.


"I jumped up and I ran" 


She runs three times but she jumps only once. She jumps here, now. This is where the tension in the story resides. During this first "10 minutes." Something shocking happened, she probably did jump and run. It just makes no sense for a lackadaisical mother who thinks 5 minutes out of her sight is ok, but 10 minutes is shocking enough to jump up. Something else made her jump. 


"to the grandfather`s room," - 


This would not be the maternal grandfather or surely she would have referred to him as "my father" Also, as he is referred to as "the grandfather" and not "his grandfather." - we can see that there are fractures forming in her "9 person" militia of self defence. We need to ask at this point, why did you jump and run to this man's room, presumably your baby-daddy's father, when you had only just told us you jumped and ran in shock because Joshua hadn't returned from the living room. Shouldn't you have checked the living room before worrying he might be with grandfather? 




"where there was another baby that my baby was interested in"


Why was this important enough to mention? It's not in answer to "what happened", it's completely about "why", Does what happened have something to do with his interest in this other infant? How does an 18 month old show interest? I'm unsure why this was included, and what makes it important enough to report, and to report it as the first thing that came to her desperate mind. I'm thinking if the truth were ever known we would find a logical connection here. Was the "other baby" being abused?

"and asked if he was in there. When the grandfather`s girlfriend told me he hadn`t been in there," 


She goes to the door of this room, she doesn't go in because she "asked if he was in there", and she is told by presumably the "other baby's" mother that not only was Joshua not there, "he hadn't been there" 
Ever? Since when? 


"so I ran out to the living room and I asked everyone if they`d seen the baby."


She's running again, this time "out" to the living room. Now the "other family members" are being pushed to the outside of her consolidated group. They are "out", she is "in", she had to run "out" to get to them. After jumping and running from her room, now she is merely "asking" people if they had seen Joshua. She doesn't first call to him, or look for him, she "asks" and what is even stranger, there is no response. She doesn't tell us if the "other family members" saw him at all that day, evening, or during the supposed crucial 10 minutes. It would be very important to know the last time they did see him, but this account doesn't say.


And then, we leap over time from her "asking" if he has been seen, directly to the searching.


"We started searching, but there was no signs of the baby."


"We Started searching, but" - I really expect to hear a mother taking personal possession of a search for a missing baby here. "I jumped", "I ran", but not "I searched" This sounds so apathetic. What is "a sign" of a baby? Babies leave trails of themselves every waking moment of their lives. Dropped bottles, scattered toys, boots and socks stripped off. Yet these things won't help you find your baby. Only calling for him, and actively searching for him, or worst case, checking doors and windows for ways he could have escaped from the collective 9 people. So why was she looking for "signs of the baby?" What I read here is a mother who may have started the searching "but" was relieved that "the others" found no signs of what had befallen her baby, Her emotionality is focused on the finding of signs, evidence, a trail of what happened, and there were none.


"I ran out of the house and everyone started looking, and we called the police about 10 minutes because we realized we had no -- nowhere to -- where we hadn`t found him."


She runs one more time, this time out of the house. Very strange this "we called the police." Who did? One person called the police, why not say who it was? Would she have said "I called the police" if she actually did? I don't think she was the one who made the call. Someone else there did, and it was "about 10 minutes" again. That magic 10 minutes. She explains why they called the police, or tries to, yet has to stop and edit herself twice. They stopped searching and called the police because they hadn't found him. They "had no", they had "no where to", because they simply hadn't found him. Is she trying to say they had nowhere left to look? She had given up hope after 10 minutes of searching? It takes more than 10 minutes to search under every bed, and inside every cupboard, corner and closet. Babies hide in curtains, in bathtubs, they curl up to sleep in toy boxes and packing crates. Why the sure knowledge of failure after only 10 minutes? The only reason I can think is she already knew what had happened to him and where he was.

Sunday, July 8, 2012

Carnel Chamberlain in pictures

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Carnel as an Angel

Carnel Reunited

Carnel as a Baby



Carnel - had he survived to grow up


Carnel an adorable happy boy



Carnel was shaved, humiliated, beaten, murdered and burned




Age progression shows clearly this is not a smile 





The four year old, nicknamed Cooter by a loving Uncle, was forced to be a grown man, and when he failed he was disposed of. He tried to tell his only hope, his Mommy, that he was being harmed, and she told him he needed to "listen" to what his soon-to-be murder was trying to say. Punched in the face, choked, slammed to the floor, dragged by his foot and hit until the bruises leap out at us in photos taken only hours before his tiny life ran out.


Do they look like they care? 


Bruised face, blackened eye, poignant irony



The Swimming Pool
 

Cadaver dogs directly next to Carnel, before he was found

The many faces of grieving for Carnel



Carnel, we cannot offer you life, only justice.





Carnel's demise- Google map of the location 


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Friday, July 6, 2012

Jaimee Chamberlain Speaks to Nancy Grace

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Michigan. A 4-year-old goes missing after Mommy heads to work at her job as a waitress. Bombshell tonight. The toddler boy reportedly last seen playing in his own back yard when he vanishes seemingly without a trace.

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Joining me right now is a very special guest joining us exclusively. I`m hearing in my ear we have with us Jaimee Chamberlain. This is Carnel`s mother. Jaimee, thank you for being with us.

JAIMEE CHAMBERLAIN, CARNEL`S MOTHER (via telephone): Hello. Hi.

GRACE: Jaimee, tell me what -- when did you last see Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: I left work about 3:45 (INAUDIBLE) right up the street from where I live at.

GRACE: OK, and you work as a waitress, right?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, at Isabellas (ph), at the (INAUDIBLE) casino.

GRACE: OK. So you`re working as a waitress. You last see him at 3:45, and at that time, Jaimee, what was he doing?

CHAMBERLAIN: When I left last time, he was laying in my back bedroom watching me get ready for work while he was watching cartoons. That`s the last time I seen him was when he was watching "Adventure Time"! That was the last time I seen him, when I left for work, he was in my bedroom, and everything was fine! And then I left. And then that`s why -- you know, I called him, and then that`s when I found out about everything going on.

GRACE: So he`s at home with your boyfriend. And you`ve known the boyfriend for about a year, getting close to a year now. Had there ever been any disputes or problems between your boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, and your little boy, Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: The only thing that we recently started doing was, like, Anthony started, like, spanking him and started disciplining him. And we started putting him in the -- like, we`d been putting him a chair in the corner to discipline him. That`s the only thing that recently has been going on between him and Anthony that I know Carnel is upset about.

GRACE: Well, OK, let me ask you this, Jaimee. What would set Anthony, the boyfriend, off? Why would he feel he had to discipline 4-year-old Carnel? What would Carnel do to make him feel he needed to be spanked?

CHAMBERLAIN: I don`t even know because even at times, I`d tell him -- I asked him, why is he disciplining him. And like, he`d tell him to go sit in the time-out chair just because he`d be crying for a reason that he doesn`t want -- like, if he doesn`t want to do something, he`d just start crying, and Anthony would just put him in the chair to, you know, put him time out because if he`s crying for no reason.

GRACE: OK, what about spanking him? Why would he spank Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: That much I don`t know. I know when I noticed the bruises on his butt, like, he tried demonstrating it for me, and like, I seen him, like, put a lot of force into it. And I asked him, I was, like, Why are you spanking him that hard? I told him (INAUDIBLE) you just need to tap (ph) him (INAUDIBLE) I don`t know -- you know, a powerful spank, like it was to a point where I noticed there was bruises on his butt.

GRACE: OK, Jaimee, Jaimee, your boyfriend was spanking the 4-year-old so hard, it left bruises on his behind?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it did.

GRACE: What, if anything, did you do about that?

CHAMBERLAIN: Well, I didn`t think of -- I really -- at first, I didn`t think of anything of it, you know, until, like, you know, after all this happened. But I just thought, you know, maybe he spanked him hard to where, like, you know, Carnel (INAUDIBLE) learn it.

But I know how my son is, and I know you just have to talk to him about it. You know, I tried telling Anthony that, You don`t need to speak him. Like, Carnel is able -- you`re able to talk to him and he understands right from wrong.

GRACE: Well, I have a concern if he would spank the boy hard enough to bruise his little booty, that`s pretty forceful, to get bruises on your rear end.

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. Yes, I recently just -- I recently noticed this about - - it was about a week ago when I noticed the bruises on his butt.

GRACE: OK. So that`s been in the last week?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes.

GRACE: When you asked him about it, what did he say Carnel had done to deserve a spanking?

CHAMBERLAIN: He hasn`t -- he hasn`t really explained to me why. He just said that, like -- I know one of the times is because he didn`t clean his room. And he said, I keep going in there and asking him, and he`s not doing what I`m saying. So I know he spanked him because one of the times just because he wouldn`t clean his room.

GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) your 4-year-old would clean his room?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. Yes. We were training him to be a grown man. And we were -- you know, he`d clean his room. We trained him to put his toys (INAUDIBLE) like, in the (INAUDIBLE) We, you know, got him to where he was getting his trash in the trash can. We were pretty much making -- trying to make him do chores and stuff at 4.

GRACE: Let me ask you about Carnel.

CHAMBERLAIN: OK.

GRACE: How long has the boyfriend been living in the home? And did that bother your son, your 4-year-old son, when he moved in?

CHAMBERLAIN: Well, he moved in -- we started -- we dated about seven months now, and we moved in with each other around -- about the end of February or March. And this is the only man that my son has called Stepdad. He`s the only man that -- since his father has not been around, this is the only guy that Carnel felt comfortable enough to call him Stepdad.

GRACE: Well, did he ever complain about Anthony spanking him or being mean to him?

CHAMBERLAIN: (INAUDIBLE) he had complained to me about him being mean to him and stuff. And I just told him, I was, like -- you know, I was, like, You should just listen to what Anthony`s trying to say to you. Because I thought it was just him being -- you know, Carnel being, like, you know, a little boy trying to say, No, I don`t want to clean my room, you know? But I didn`t think of nothing like that until now.

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GRACE: ... OK, I want to get back to Jaimee. With me is Carnel`s mom, joining me exclusively tonight. Jaimee, what is Anthony Bennett saying now?

CHAMBERLAIN: He still ain`t working with none of the police officers. He still has no contact with none of my family.


GRACE: With me right now in a primetime exclusive, his mom joining me, Jaimee Chamberlain. She`s out working, supporting the family, comes home, the little boy is gone -- by all accounts, a peaceful, a sweet little boy, never gave anybody a day`s trouble. He`s gone, seemingly vanishing into thin air.

Jaimee Chamberlain, when you walked in the door that evening from work at Isabel`s (ph) restaurant, what was Anthony Bennett, your boyfriend, doing? When you walked in the door, where was he?

CHAMBERLAIN: He was walking to me. As soon as I opened the door, he was, like, walking out to me.

GRACE: And what did he say?

CHAMBERLAIN: He pretty much told me that he`s gone. And like, I just didn`t believe him. And that`s all I could think about is, like, I need to look everywhere first. I need to look -- I mean, I turned my house upside down looking for him.

And then there`s the next-door neighbors, where there`s a bunch of kids next door, and like, usually, when we`re outside, they`re, like, Come on, Carnel, come next door. And that was the second place I went to go look. And once they said they didn`t see my son, that`s when I knew I had to call the cops because I don`t know where he could have been!

GRACE: When you asked the live-in, Where is Carnel, what was his explanation as to the last time he saw him?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he came up missing. That`s all he told me what happened. His story just doesn`t make sense, and he just came up missing.

GRACE: Well, what do you mean came up missing? Did he leave the boy outside while he was inside?


CHAMBERLAIN: He said that he was cleaning -- he said he was the house while Carnel was playing outside. And then he was telling everybody that he left the front door open, the sliding glass door open and a couple windows open. And it`s, like, Well, how come -- couldn`t you just hear him just take off, if that`s what happened? He said he didn`t hear nothing, said he didn`t see nothing.

GRACE: OK. Was the house clean when you came in? Did it look like he had really cleaned the house?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it was, until I -- later on that night, I noticed that there was something up in my bathroom.

GRACE: What?

CHAMBERLAIN: That my bathroom floor was wet, and that`s all I noticed that was messed up was in my bathroom.

GRACE: The bathroom floor was wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. And it was wet to the point where my carpet even got wet. And he said that he drew me a bath before I got home, and he said -- he said -- I don`t know what he was doing. And then he said he just wasn`t paying attention and the bath water overflowed. And that`s why (INAUDIBLE) you`re not paying attention to my son! You`re not paying attention to this water that you`re supposed to be drawing me a bath for, then what are you doing? It just doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: Has he taken a lie detector?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, he hasn`t. And then the next day, his dad helped him get a lawyer.

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GRACE: With me tonight is his mother, who was at work that night, comes home, the baby is gone. To Jaimee Chamberlain, Carnel`s mom. Did your boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, have a job?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, he didn`t.

GRACE: Why?

CHAMBERLAIN: Because he has two felonies on his record and nobody around us could help him out.

GRACE: What kind of felonies?

CHAMBERLAIN: I want to say felonious assault and (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Ms. Chamberlain, were you concerned about leaving your child with him?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he loved me. And the only reason why I started trusting Anthony is because my brother introduced us and, you know, I was thinking because, you know, I`m my brother`s little sister that he wouldn`t send me somebody like that. I trusted him with everything, with my son.


GRACE: Jamie, what can you tell us again about the bathroom.

CHAMBERLAIN: Because when I went in there and I first noticed it because I didn`t notice it until all the police were out looking and told me he`s there. And I was hoping that they would give me some information or in case he came home. And I was, you know, as soon as everybody was out looking for him, the first instance in my head was well, maybe I should go look in the house to see what was out of the ordinary.

And then, that`s when I walked in the bathroom and my feet started sinking in like it was wet and I noticed that the floor in my bathroom was wet and I have little candles that sit beside my bathtub and those were in the water. So, as soon as I seen that, you know, I had to let the FBI and everybody know what I noticed so they could see everything.

GRACE: When you asked him what had happened in the bathroom, what did he say?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he was drawing me a bath for when I got out of work. And he said that he wasn`t pay attention and al of a sudden, it overflowed.

GRACE: When you got home, was there water in the bathtub?

CHAMBERLAIN: There was, but you would think that if it was over flown, it would be over the top, and you would think all the water was drained out. The water was like - half way I there, more halfway in there than anything.

GRACE: Did you notice anything else out of place in the home? Jamie, did you notice anything else out of the place in the home?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, I did. And I just -- when everything happened, I like, you know, because I`m looking in the room, and I was looking around to see if anything was, you know, anything out of the ordinary after I seen the carpet. And as I was looking around on the floor to see what all got wet, I noticed his two, they`re brown stains on my carpet and I noticed that only the stains were wet and around the carpet was dry and my first instinct was like, OK, I better go get a paper towel to see what color came out of it. And then when I see it, it came out was brown and then, you know, my first instinct was blood so I stuck my hand in it and my hand was sticky and then when I smelled my hand, it smelled like cleaning products.

GRACE: So, do you believe someone -- is your bathroom carpeted?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it is.

GRACE: So, you think someone cleaned the bathroom carpet?

CHAMBERLAIN: I don`t know. I just know what I seen and I let the FBI take it from there.

GRACE: This is what I don`t understand, Jamie, so he says the boy`s missing, but he thought to draw you a bath while the little boy`s missing?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. That`s why it doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: Did he normally clean the house, Jamie Chamberlain?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, he did.

GRACE: Kirby Clemons, are you going to ask to straight face, go along with your child, your 4-year-old`s missing, but it`s a good thing that he thought to draw the bath and let it run over and clean the floor with cleaning products where there`s brown stains.

GRACE: Jaimee Chamberlain, when did he say the last time it, that he saw the boy, Jaimee?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said 9:30?

GRACE: At night?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. 9:30 at night.

GRACE: And what does he say, he was doing? What is Carnel doing at 9:30 at night? He should have been in bed asleep, but what did he say he was doing?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said, he was out playing in the in the pool that on our porch in our backyard.

GRACE: Well, Cloutier. This is new. This is completely new. OK. I thought he didn`t say anything. Now, I`m understanding, he says the boy was outside in the pool at 9:30 at night.

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. He said he was outside playing in the pool and he was inside cleaning the house.

GRACE: At 9:30 at night?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes.

GRACE: Why wasn`t the little boy in bed, he`s 4 years old.

CHAMBERLAIN: Nancy, before I left for work, I told him to put my son to bed at 9:00.

GRACE: Everybody, I want to give you the tip line, 989-775-4700.

Jaimee, does your bathroom tub have one of those drain things right below the hot and cold water controls.

CHAMBERLAIN: It`s just a drain. We have in our back bedroom, we have a Jacuzzi. So I honestly don`t think it had a draining thing. I know where the Jacuzzi is, it has a little sitting point and then it has the switch on the jets and to control the jets and that`s it.

GRACE: Ok. Wait a minute. Wait. Is the bathtub also a Jacuzzi?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes it is.

GRACE: All right, so there`s not one of those little holes, kind of a drain right there underneath the hot and cold water control?

CHAMBERLAIN: No. No, there is not.

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GRACE: You know, to Jaimee Chamberlain, this is Carnel`s mom, the description of him wearing the dark blue angry bird t-shirt, the blue short with the green trim is that what you observed him wearing when you went to work?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, it wasn`t.

GRACE: What was he wearing then?

CHAMBERLAIN: He was wearing dark -- dark green shorts with a light green trim and then the shirt, wasn`t even wearing a shirt when I left. He was just wearing shorts but as the cops were looking through my house and they told me to go through stuff, I actually found the wet pair of shorts that I see him wearing when I left for work.

GRACE: You found him -- you found the green shorts?

CHAMBERLAIN: That he was wearing before I left for work and they were wet.

GRACE: So the shorts he was wearing when you went to work, were they sopping wet, like they had been underwater?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, they were like in between damp -- it was in between damp to wet, it was in between that.

GRACE: Where did you find them? Where were they?

CHAMBERLAIN: They were in our laundry room.

GRACE: Were they wet with water or wet with urine like he had wet his pants?

CHAMBERLAIN: They were wet like water.

GRACE: Why were they wet -- why were they wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: My first instinct was to think that them were the shorts he was wearing when he was playing outside. As soon as Anthony saw -- he made no sense to me, that`s when, even me, I thought he is probably not even wearing the clothes he said he was wearing. So --

GRACE: Did you give police those shorts?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, I did. I gave them every piece of article I thought he was wearing. Yes.

GRACE: Jaimee, is the water in your pool chlorinated?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, it`s not.

GRACE: OK. So, it would be the same as the water in your bathtub, correct?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes.

GRACE: What was your boyfriend`s explanation as to why your little boy`s pants were soaking wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: He didn`t say why. He just said he changed him.

Saturday, June 23, 2012

Transcript: Sandusky Victim Travis Weaver Speaks

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Announcer: Good evening and welcome. And tonight in the trial of Jerry Sandusky, the jury has the case. While they have broken for the night, the wait is now officially underway for a verdict. Most of us by now know the allegations that Sandusky abused these kids he was supposed to be helping. Many people heard him discuss the charges in his interview with Bob Costas here on raucous center, but we have not until tonight heard from one of his accusers. 


You're about to meet Travis Weaver. He has told his story to a grand jury though he did not testify in the current trial, and fair warning, as with anything to do with this story, some of these details are highly disturbing. Here now, Kate Snow's conversation with the young man who is as of this moment speaking out.


Snow: If Jerry Sandusky were sitting right here..


Travis: I'd punch him in his mouth. <faint derisive laugh>


Snow: Would you say anything First ?


Travis: No,  there'd be no reason to say anything. He knows what he did. I know what he did.


Announcer: Travis Weaver says Jerry Sandusky, sexually abused him more than 100 times over a period of four years starting in 1992 when he was just 10 years old. He says he thought he was the only boy it happened to until he saw Sandusky on the news - arrested on charges he molested other boys. Weaver, now 30, had never told a soul, but last fall he told his family his story for the first time. He says he still feels numb. 


Snow: You don't cry about it now?


Travis: No


Snow: When was the last time you cried about it? 


Travis: A long time ago. 


Announcer: Weaver's story echoes many of Sandusky's accusers. Mom and dad split up when he was little. There was a lot of fighting in the broken home he shared with two brothers. A counselor referred 10 year old Travis Weaver to a special summer camp run by a charity called the Second Mile.


Snow: What was it like the very first time you met Jerry Sandusky?


Travis: um, It was great. It was like meeting my hero.


Announcer. Almost immediately he says Jerry Sandusky took an interest in him, taking him to football games, inviting him to work out with him at the gym on Penn State's campus. And like many of the young men who testified in court, Weaver says from the beginning Sandusky expected them to shower together.


Travis: Picking me up, trying to give me, like, bear hugs.  umm.. He'd wash my hair, my back sometimes.


Announcer: He says they'd move to a couch in the locker room just beyond the showers.


Travis: …dried me off with a towel, said he was trying to wrestle with me and then he would just have me lay on top of him while we were both still naked.


Snow: I know this is really hard stuff to talk about. But what, what would he do when he had you down on top of him?


Travis: He'd rub my backside umm.. Sometimes he'd roll over on top me, blow on my stomach and umm..  rub my genitals and  umm.. Then it progressed into oral sex.


Snow: Did it ever escalate to anything else?


Travis: He tried anal sex one time but it hurt really bad, so I, eee, I made him stop. That was in the locker rooms.


Snow: In the shower?


Travis: Yes, <head nodding>


Snow: How old were you? 


Travis:Around 11 or 12.


Announcer: Weaver said Sandusky rarely spoke during the abuse other than to say "You're not gonna tell anyone about this."


Snow: Do you remember what was racing through your head?


Travis: <headshaking> I just couldn't believe what was happening. I was scared.


Announcer: At the same time, Weaver says Sandusky was inviting him to sleep over at his house. 


Travis: I stayed at his house, probably over 100 times.


Snow: A hundred times…


Travis: Yeah it was over a few years, but yeah I stayed there a lot.


Announcer: After Dottie Sandusky cooked dinner for them all, Weaver says he would go down to the basement and wait knowing that as soon as the rest of the family went to bed Sandusky would come down.


Travis: You know, he'd come down and talk to me, you know, try to play a video game with me a little bit, play pool or something, you know, he'd work his way up to it.


Snow: And you would know that he was going to expect sexual acts?


Travis: Yes. 


Announcer: Weaver says that when it was over Jerry Sandusky would leave him and go back upstairs to his wife.


Snow: Why do you think his family thought you were there?


Travis: I don't know. I never asked.


Snow: Did they treat you like one of the family?


Travis: The rest of the kids did, but Dottie, I don't think she really liked me too much. She was always like, distant. She didn't really want to talk to me too much. I always thought that she was a mean person just because of how she acted towards me. She, she never really wanted to talk to me. When she did talk to me, she was umm.. just real stern with, you know, with everything I said to her. 


Snow: Cold? 


Travis: Cold. Yes.


Snow: Did she ever walk in on you, see anything inappropriate?


Travis: No. No She didn't


Snow:  Do you think she had any idea what was going on, in your opinion?


Travis:  <Long silence> I can't say for sure but, I mean, how could you not know something was going on?


Announcer: He didn't always stay in the basement. Sometimes, Weaver says, he was in the second-floor guest room right across from the Sandusky's bedroom.


Snow: Did he ever engage in any sexual acts with you in the guest room across the hall from Dottie Sandusky?


Travis: A couple of times, couple times, you know, he performed oral sex on me. 


Snow:  ..And Mrs. Sandusky was across the hall


Travis: Yes 


Snow: When that happened?


Travis: yes


Snow:  It's almost an unbelievable story,


Travis:  yeah <nodding> ..'s why I was scared to say anything.


Snow: Because you thought no one would believe you?


Travis: yes


Snow: Is this a guy in your opinion, is this a guy who thought he would never get caught?


Travis: Yes. Yes, I don't think the thought ever even crossed his mind.


Announcer: Jerry Sandusky gave him gifts took him to fancy dinners even brought him to a 1995 Rose bowl game. Things his own family could never have provided .


Travis: He told me he loved me. He told my father he wanted to adopt me.


Snow: So Jerry Sandusky said to your father I would like to adopt your son?


Travis: Yes


Announcer: Weaver's dad who works at Penn State University's TV station confirms his son had years of contact with Sandusky and that there was talk of adoption. Finally at age 14 Travis Weaver says he reached a breaking point. Sandusky took him to Philadelphia for a Second Mile fundraiser he says and started wrestling with him in the hotel room.


Travis. I told him if he didn't get off me I was going to call the police on him and ah..he just laughed at me and, and forced me on, to stay on the bed and ah.. Told me if I ever said anything that nobody was gonna believe me and he would get my dad fired from Penn State. 


Announcer: So he says he did not call the police, but a couple of weeks later he did move to Cleveland to live with his mother.


Snow: You wanted to get away from Jerry Sandusky?


Travis: Yes.


Announcer: Weaver's life took a downward spiral. He spent time in jail for burglary. 16 years later Weaver is now working as a roofer in Cleveland. He and his girlfriend Alicia have two daughters together, ages two and four. He says he's angry at the adults who could've stopped Sandusky -like former Penn State assistant coach, Mike McQueary. He testified he saw Jerry Sandusky with a young boy pinned against the wall of the locker room shower. McQueary says he reported the incident to the university authorities but never called the local police


Travis: He's a coward. For not calling the police, for not stopping Jerry right there. He said he slammed his locker, walked out. Why would you slam your locker, walk out and leave that kid standing there? And let that keep happening? You know, you just abandon that little helpless kid.


Announcer: He also blames himself. 


Travis: if I would've said something it would've stopped him from hurting other kids.


Snow:  That's a big burden to carry.


Travis: I know it's not my fault but I can't help but feel that way. <hanging head>


Announcer: Weaver is now suing Sandusky, Second Mile and Penn State University. His lawyer is Jeff Anderson, who specializes in representing sexual abuse victims, including many cases involving the Catholic Church.


Snow: One of the things Jerry Sandusky's attorney has said again and again is that he believes people came forward later in order to cash in.


Travis: <Laughs, pauses, looks down to his right, purses lips> That's ridiculous. Why would, why would all these kids that never even met each other all have the similar, if not the exact same story, about what he did and, and go on in court and go to trial and testify in front of all these people about all this stuff that happened, if it never happened? It's, it's absurd. 


Announcer: What his lawsuit's about, Weaver says, is finally finding his voice.


Snow: You're also speaking out, you've said to me, because you want other kids out there to know that it's okay to speak out. 


Travis: Yes, it is okay to speak out.


Snow: This stuff is really a uncomfortable to talk about.


Travis. It's extremely uncomfortable. Feels better though once you start talking about it to people, lettin' everybody know what happened.


Snow: People are going to feel for you deeply, when they hear your story. They're gonna want to know that you're okay now, that you're getting help. Can you, can you be okay?


Travis: yeah.. I'll be okay.. When he's in prison.